# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 182
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3680 "2023-04-29T01:37:32Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Paywalled. Does it say anything more than he stole seven engines on the black market? Like who he sold them to, how much he got, or other details? I would think that, right now, the #1 customer for black-market tank parts would be… the Russian military. > [@eschereal](#): > > It looks like it might be a real false-flag operation. While I certainly wouldn’t put a false-flag operation past Russia, I don’t think it makes sense right now. They’re already at war with Ukraine, and Ukraine really would be doing things like this if they can. But some of the marks apparently think they’re false-flag operations. They’re shouting pro-Ukraine slogans as they attack, even while thinking that they’re actually helping Russia. The fact that Russia really would do things like false-flag operations, and everyone knows it, probably makes the scammers’ jobs easier. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3681 "2023-04-29T02:35:17Z")
I hate pretzels. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3682 "2023-04-29T04:37:16Z")
Minor smoking accident in Sevastapol, at the naval fuel depot. > ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3683 "2023-04-29T05:46:51Z")
Photo: > ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3684 "2023-04-29T08:30:22Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > > [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > > > how would negotiations help? > > Well, Putin isn’t the only Russian we could “negotiate” with. At this point, I’m really hoping the CIA, or some similar organization, is working hard to find someone, anyone, in Russia with the means and motivation to take Putin out. That would be the fastest, best way to end this shit. At this point removing Putin won’t stop the madness. The next 14 guys in line are just as rabid. ---
**Author:** ![Toxylon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f05b48/32.png) [@Toxylon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toxylon)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 9:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3685 "2023-04-29T09:01:39Z")
Maybe so, but the turmoil of ‘no Putin, who’s next’, would almost inevitably hinder Russia’s war effort for some time, or even for a long time. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2023, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3686 "2023-04-30T12:58:41Z")
26 posts were split to a new topic: [Temp Title](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/temp-title/983366) ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2023, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3694 "2023-04-29T16:29:11Z")
[Reuters 29-Apr-23](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/fuel-tank-ablaze-sevastopol-official-says-apparent-drone-attack-2023-04-29/) **Fire at Crimea fuel depot extinguished after drone attack, governor says** - A drone strike caused a fire at a fuel storage facility in the Crimean port of Sevastopol, sending a vast column of black smoke into the sky before it was extinguished, the city’s Moscow-installed governor said on Saturday. - A Ukrainian military intelligence official said more than 10 tanks of oil products with a capacity of about 40,000 tonnes intended for use by Russia’s Black Sea Fleet were destroyed, RBC Ukraine reported. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2023, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3707 "2023-04-30T06:05:37Z")
Russia was always the most likely culprit: > [@](#): > > A Russian navy vessel specialising in submarine operations was photographed near the sabotaged Nord Stream gas pipelines just prior to the mysterious September blasts, according to the Danish daily newspaper Information. > **[Russian navy ship photographed near Nord Stream pipelines before blasts](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/28/russian-navy-vessel-seen-near-nord-stream-pipelines-days-before-blasts)** > > Submarine rescue vessel SS-750 was photographed in Baltic four days before still-unexplained explosions, says Danish newspaper ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2023, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3708 "2023-04-30T07:08:28Z")
Two interesting headlines. First, Wagner [says they might pull out if they don’t get enough ammo.](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/4/30/russias-wagner-mercenary-force-boss-threatens-bakhmut-withdrawal) Doubtful but possible. Russian infighting can only help Ukraine. In the second, Poland [has seized a Russian embassy school.](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/4/29/russia-slams-polish-seizure-of-embassy-school-in-warsaw) Did they suspect that they were training spies? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2023, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3717 "2023-04-30T19:33:47Z")
Probably nothing much will come of this but the Pope is trying to broker a Peace Deal. > **[Pope Francis says he is open to helping return Ukrainian children taken to...](https://www.npr.org/2023/04/30/1172970906/pope-francis-ukraine-russia-children-hungary)** > > Speaking from the papal plane, Francis said he would be willing to help facilitate the return of children taken to Russia since the war began. And he revealed a secret peace "mission" was under way. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2023, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3718 "2023-04-30T20:39:21Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Russia was always the most likely culprit: With what motive? Russia was the party with the least to gain and most to lose from destruction of the pipeline. > [@What\_Exit](#): > > Probably nothing much will come of this but the Pope is trying to broker a Peace Deal. I suppose he’s got about as good a chance at it as anyone. Though probably the best he could do would be to work with the other Patriarchs to censure the Patriarch of Moscow, and maybe thereby decrease the impact of the Patriarch of Moscow’s propaganda. ---
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2023, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3719 "2023-04-30T20:40:27Z")
How many divisions does he have? ---
**Author:** ![abcdefghij](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/43a26b/32.png) [@abcdefghij](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/abcdefghij)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2023, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3720 "2023-04-30T20:41:55Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I suppose he’s got about as good a chance at it as anyone. Dennis Rodman? ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2023, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3721 "2023-04-30T22:21:58Z")
> [@Tatterdemalion](#): > > How many divisions does he have? He’s got these guys. They’ll have to update their camouflage patterns though. [![](https://cdn.britannica.com/61/190561-050-E0B42EFA/Pontifical-Swiss-Guards-election-Vatican-City-April-19-2005.jpg) ](https://cdn.britannica.com/61/190561-050-E0B42EFA/Pontifical-Swiss-Guards-election-Vatican-City-April-19-2005.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2023, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3722 "2023-04-30T22:29:28Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > With what motive? Russia was the party with the least to gain and most to lose from destruction of the pipeline. From the Professor of Strategic Studies: > I don’t think it’s an action the US or an EU country would have taken. I don’t think Ukraine has the naval capability to mount such a distant operation, or that they would think it would look good blowing up gas lines just off the coast of Poland, Germany, Denmark and Sweden. The theory that it was pro-Ukrainian non-state actors, as floated a few weeks ago, felt a bit unrealistic to me. As the prosecutor leading Sweden’s investigation into the sabotage said: “Our primary assumption is that a state is behind it.” ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2023, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3723 "2023-04-30T22:31:01Z")
> [@Folly](#): > > He’s got these guys. They’ll have to update their camouflage patterns though. That’s dazzle camouflage. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2023, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3724 "2023-04-30T23:19:57Z")
And halberds are a lot more effective than shovels, as weapons go. > [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > From the Professor of Strategic Studies: Except that the pipeline explosion had the opposite effect. Before, it was “Stop helping Ukraine, so you can get your gas back”. After, it was “Stop helping Ukraine, and… um… I guess you still won’t have gas, because the pipeline done blowed up”. If Europe can’t get Russia’s gas anyway, then Russia loses that bargaining chip. That’s why everyone was assuming it was done by someone pro-Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2023, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3725 "2023-04-30T23:23:48Z")
This. We will probably never know for sure who sabotaged the pipeline, but I’m gonna need some serious evidence to believe it was the Russians, who had nothing to gain and everything to lose from that action. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2023, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3726 "2023-04-30T23:33:52Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > That’s dazzle camouflage. Even more proof that Bounarotti was centuries ahead of his time. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=181) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=183)