# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 189
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2023, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3849 "2023-05-05T22:19:37Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Putin planned the invasion for a long time. Russia must have been experiencing a severe shortage of cocktail napkins for quite some time. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2023, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3850 "2023-05-05T22:52:46Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > The Kremlin thinks the Ukrainians did it with the support of the U.S. Dear Putin. If we send a drone to kill you it will not be something you will have any post-attack issues with. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2023, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3851 "2023-05-06T03:53:47Z")
That is my impression as well after reading [Never Mind, We’ll Do It Ourselves](https://www.amazon.com/Never-Mind-Well-Ourselves-Renegades/dp/151072091X). The technology to pick which window you want the Hellfire missile to go through was in place about twenty years ago and it has only become more capable since. A US drone strike wouldn’t miss. Obligatory [XKCD](https://xkcd.com/652/). ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2023, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3852 "2023-05-06T04:11:17Z")
This is nearly day old news but I don’t think it’s been posted here yet. > **[Russia is cancelling Victory Day celebrations to hide its military losses,...](https://www.businessinsider.com/kremlin-using-drone-strike-cancel-parades-conceal-military-degradation-isw-2023-5)** > > Russia has scaled back its Victory Day celebrations this year, likely to hide losses in Ukraine, using drone strike as an excuse, says US think tank. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2023, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3853 "2023-05-06T04:19:28Z")
Probably don’t have enough people or equipment to fill the event. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2023, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3854 "2023-05-06T11:54:49Z")
Ukraine says [they used a Patriot missile to take out a “unique” Russian missile.](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/5/6/ukraine-downs-russian-hypersonic-missile-with-us-patriot-system) Apparently Putin said this couldn’t happen. And Russia [has been accused of using white phosphorus ammunition in Bakhmut.](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65506993) EDIT: Ammunition, not bombs. I misread. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2023, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3855 "2023-05-06T14:23:10Z")
A Russian nationalist on Prigozhin: > ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2023, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3856 "2023-05-06T14:23:47Z")
Another Russian military blogger [done got blowed up](https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/06/europe/russian-military-blogger-injured-intl/index.html). Not killed, although his driver was. > A Russian military blogger [has been injured](https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-05-06-23/h_783bca1e8f0e24d75e9adb86150e92ca) and his driver killed after their car was blown up, Russian state media reported, the latest attack on a pro-war figure. > > Zakhar Prilepin was hospitalized with a leg injury in the blast in the Nizhny Novgorod region, about 250 miles east of Moscow, TASS said. > > [snip] > > Prilepin, whose Telegram channel has more than 300,000 subscribers, last September put up a commentary that described Russia’s retreat from Kharkiv, eastern Ukraine, as a “catastrophe.” > > “Now we can observe the result of the criminal irresponsibility of those who were responsible for this direction,” the post read, before concluding: “The special military operation is long over. There is a war going on.” ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2023, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3857 "2023-05-06T15:00:58Z")
With how rapid the Kremlin’s response to the drone has been, I’m changing my mind. This was definitely a false flag. Putin just apparently sucks a lot more than I thought at false flags. I mean, if Ukraine really were behind it, why would they deny it? This is war. Ukraine attacking Moscow is just as much a part of war as Russia attacking Kyiv. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2023, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3858 "2023-05-06T15:18:27Z")
Ukraine’s been very cautious about claiming responsibility for anything that happens outside Ukraine. I think they’ve made the assessment that attacking Russians in Russia may be counter-productive, because it will strengthen the support of the war by ordinary Russians, similar to the way the Blitz strengthened British resolve rather than weakening it. It also plays better internationally, that Ukraine is a sovereign state defending itself from an aggressive invasion. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2023, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3859 "2023-05-06T15:31:49Z")
I found this detailed analysis of the challenges faced in a Ukrainian counter offensive. It helped me better understand the challenges that Ukraine faces. I’ve read it several times. There’s a lot to study. Mick Ryan is a former Australian general and military analyst Link [The Coming Fight will be Different - by Mick Ryan](https://mickryan.substack.com/p/the-coming-fight-will-be-different) > [@](#): > > Reviewing the multiple US military assistance packages since 14 October 2022, there has been a large effort to equip Ukrainian combat engineers for their coming efforts to identify, reduce and move through the dense obstacle zones constructed by the Russian Army in eastern and southern Ukraine. Demolitions munitions, obstacle reduction and mine clearance equipment, mobile bridging capabilities (Armored Vehicle Launched Bridges) as well as Mine Resistant Ambush Protected Vehicles and artillery delivered anti-tank mines, have featured on the publicly released lists of American supplied military assistance. > > At the same time, [the UK has provided](https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-9477/CBP-9477.pdf) a ‘manoeuvre support package’ including minefield breaching and bridge laying capabilities. Other armies from Germany, Canada, [Finland](https://www.newsweek.com/leopard-2-tanks-ukraine-mine-clearing-finland-germany-1790344), Slovakia, and Norway have provided equipment like combat engineering vehicles based on the Leopard tank chassis. > This significant uplift in mobility and survivability support to the Ukrainian army tells us that not only have battlefield conditions changed since the beginning of the war, but that the coming offensives by the Ukrainians will look different to those that have been conducted north of Kyiv, in Kharkiv and in Kherson in 2022 ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2023, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3860 "2023-05-06T22:26:12Z")
Interesting (to me) history of the use of an octopus in media to describe a country’s ambition to control it’s neighbors and colonies. Russia has been depicted numerous times in the past; not just its current territorial seizures in Moldova, Ukraine, and Georgia. > **[The Octopus in Political Cartoons](https://neverwasmag.com/2017/08/the-octopus-in-political-cartoons/)** > > Russia, Germany and the United States have all been depicted as octopuses by their nemeses. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2023, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3861 "2023-05-06T22:44:17Z")
Latest aid package from US. Security Assistance for Ukraine. Drawdown of existing stocks rather than the purchase of production items. Details continue to be sketchy for security reasons. May 3, 2023 | Today, the Department of Defense (DoD) announced additional security assistance to meet Ukraine’s critical security and defense needs. This authorization is the Biden Administration’s thirty-seventh drawdown of equipment from DoD inventories for Ukraine since August 2021. It includes additional ammunition for U.S.-provided HIMARS, additional howitzers, artillery and mortar rounds, and anti-armor capabilities that Ukraine is using to push back against Russia’s unprovoked war of aggression valued at up to $300 million. The capabilities in this package include: - Additional ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS); - 155mm Howitzers; - 155mm artillery rounds; - 120mm, 81mm, and 60mm mortar rounds; - Tube-Launched, Optically-Tracked, Wire-Guided (TOW) missiles; - AT-4 and Carl Gustaf anti-armor weapon systems; - Hydra-70 aircraft rockets; - Small arms and small arms ammunition; - Demolition munitions for obstacle clearing; - Trucks and trailers to transport heavy equipment; - Testing and diagnostic equipment to support vehicle maintenance and repair; - Spare parts and other field equipment. > **[Biden Administration Announces Additional Security Assistance for Ukraine](https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3383288/biden-administration-announces-additional-security-assistance-for-ukraine/)** > > The Department of Defense announced additional security assistance to meet Ukraine's critical security and defense needs. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2023, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3862 "2023-05-06T22:47:55Z")
The Hague’s Permanent Court of Arbitration ordered Russia to cough up a whopping $5 bn to energy giant Naftogaz in compensation for losses from annexation of Crimea However, securing restitution during the war may prove to be challenging, experts say [https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/05/04/ukraines-naftogaz-awaits-usd-5bn-hague-award-when-will-russia-cough-up/?swcfpc=1](https://t.co/shVELWBiu8) Restitution challenging may be a massive understatement. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2023, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3863 "2023-05-07T01:12:13Z")
Ukraine destroys Russian military warehouse in Bakhmut with JDAM smart bombs. > **[Video appears to show Ukraine striking a Russian warehouse in Bakhmut with...](https://www.businessinsider.com/video-ukraine-strikes-russian-warehouse-using-jdam-er-kits-2023-5)** > > The US-made JDAM-ER kits, sent to Ukraine in recent months, convert existing unguided bombs into precision-guided munitions. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2023, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3864 "2023-05-07T03:26:34Z")
Some welcome news. I remember when the Azov surrendered it seemed unlikely they’d ever be freed. The guardian blog > [@](#): > > **Ukraine hailed the return of 45 Azov battalion fighters captured during the battle for Mariupol while Russia said three of its pilots had been released by Kyiv**. The freed Ukrainian prisoners included 42 men and three women from the Azov battalion, said Andriy Yermak, the head of President Volodymyr Zelenskiy’s office. ---
**Author:** ![nofloyd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nofloyd/32/2870_2.png) [@nofloyd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nofloyd)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2023, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3865 "2023-05-07T08:20:26Z")
Panic as Russia evacuates town near nuclear power plant. watchdog says severe accident might occur. A claim that many of the convoys are retreating Russian troops. > **[Ukraine war: 'Mad panic' as Russia evacuates town near Zaporizhzhia plant](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65515443)** > > UN watchdog warns of "threat of a severe nuclear accident" at the Zaporizhzhia plant in Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![MikeF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MikeF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeF)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2023, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3866 "2023-05-07T13:05:25Z")
This video has been around for a while and was purported to be the first documented use of JDAMs. It could well have been “warehouse” or storage depot of some sort but I thought I read that Ukraine is targeting high rises being used as observation posts. A high rise doesn’t seem to be a logical place to store large quantities of anything but it is Russia/Wagner we’re talking about ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2023, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3867 "2023-05-07T13:59:50Z")
More news about Russian drone attacks. [Meanwhile, in the eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut, Yevgeny Prigozhin, the head of the Wagner Group, asked Moscow to let him hand over his position to Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov’s forces.](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/5/7/multiple-explosions-rock-russian-annexed-crimea) Wagner says they’re running out of ammo and want out. I don’t think it’s legit-I bet it’s a power play for more men and influence. “The bosses won’t support the brave fighting man!” kind of thing. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2023, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3868 "2023-05-07T15:58:19Z")
> [@MikeF](#): > > It could well have been “warehouse” or storage depot of some sort The third or fourth (not easy to tell) seemed to result in some very frisky secondary explosions, so I suspect there was some amount of ammo or such there. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=188) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=190)