# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 190
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2023, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3869 "2023-05-07T17:18:44Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Wagner says they’re running out of ammo and want out. I don’t think it’s legit-I bet it’s a power play for more men and influence. “The bosses won’t support the brave fighting man!” kind of thing. And right on time: > **[Yevgeny Prigozhin: Wagner boss 'promised ammunition' after retreat threat](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65516633)** > > Yevgeny Prigozhin seemingly U-turns on his threat to withdraw from the Ukrainian city of Bakhmut. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3870 "2023-05-08T12:12:09Z")
The stakes are incredibly high. NATO has invested so much into Ukraine’s military. We know the US is concerned based upon the leaked documents. President, Petr Pavel makes a valid point that the calendar shouldn’t be a consideration for the counter offensive. Ukraine should take the time to fully train and equip its forces. There’s no rush to retake occupied territory. Let the Russians wait and grow frustrated. They have to anticipate and prepare for the counter attack. The next few months are going to be pivotal to Ukraine’s future. Link [Czech president warns Ukraine against rushed counteroffensive | Ukraine | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/07/czech-president-petr-pavel-warns-against-rushed-ukraine-counteroffensive) > [@](#): > > The Czech president, Petr Pavel, a decorated retired general who was previously Nato’s principal military adviser, has privately warned Ukraine’s leadership against the disaster of a rushed counteroffensive. > > In recent meetings in Kyiv with Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, and prime minister, Denys Shmyhal, Pavel cautioned that they no longer had the element of surprise that aided successful assaults on the eastern city of Kharkiv and southern region of Kherson last year. > > The war hero, who was chair of the Nato military committee until 2018 and decorated by the Czech and French governments for rescuing French troops besieged by the Serbs during the Bosnian war in 1993, said there was recognition in Kyiv that gaps remained in Ukraine’s capacity for a successful offensive against Russian forces. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3871 "2023-05-08T12:25:46Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Ukraine should take the time to fully train and equip its forces. There’s no rush to retake occupied territory. The general rule in warfare is every hour spent in preparation favors the defense over the offense. Ukraine needs to get their counter-attack in gear as soon as the weather permits and not a moment longer. The more time that goes by the more opportunity the Russians will have to expand their trenches, minefields and fortifications in the south. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3872 "2023-05-08T12:27:26Z")
That’s interesting. Thank you @Cardigan I was thinking of Eisenhower preparation for D Day. But there was a timetable that they followed. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3873 "2023-05-08T13:43:03Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I was thinking of Eisenhower preparation for D Day. But there was a timetable that they followed. The original timetable had D Day scheduled for 1943. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3874 "2023-05-08T15:31:03Z")
Drone army: > ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3875 "2023-05-08T15:32:59Z")
I’m hoping that they are going put some cameo on those trucks before they take them out. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3876 "2023-05-08T15:34:06Z")
Word up. ---
**Author:** ![Pork\_Rind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pork_rind/32/111_2.png) [@Pork\_Rind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pork_Rind)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3877 "2023-05-08T16:29:56Z")
Post of the month. Year, maybe. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3878 "2023-05-08T17:53:44Z")
So tell all the boys and girls. Tell your brother, your sister, and mama too, cause the Ruskies about to go down. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3879 "2023-05-08T18:01:03Z")
Considering they’re most likely going to be found travelling or parking on roads and improved surfaces, white paint is actually pretty good for the purposes of ‘blending into the environment’ ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3880 "2023-05-08T18:10:46Z")
I expect the photo is at the armorer/equipment supplier stage and the equipment hasn’t been issued to the crews yet, due to the few number of people pictured. There’s 44 vehicles, so the unit might have around 80-160 personnel. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3881 "2023-05-08T18:39:24Z")
In that environment, I’d think the best camo would be signs on the sides of the trucks advertising “Pavlo’s Painting Services.” Splash some random colors on the body, hide the drones under a spotted drop cloth in the back. Won’t help if the orcs are blasting anything that moves, but it ought to get them ignored by anybody taking a closer look. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3882 "2023-05-08T18:42:03Z")
> [@Si\_Amigo](#): > > I’m hoping that they are going put some cameo on those trucks before they take them out . Speaking of those trucks: What make are they? I downloaded the picture and zoomed in close, but can’t quite place the grill ornament. It’s reminiscent of the Peugeot lion logo. _(went and checked)_ OK … they are Peugeots. The ‘2010’ logo shown below is what’s on the grills: [https://www.grapheine.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=1950,height=1200,fit=crop,quality=85,format=auto,onerror=redirect,metadata=none/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/histoire-peugeot-logo.jpg](https://www.grapheine.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=1950,height=1200,fit=crop,quality=85,format=auto,onerror=redirect,metadata=none/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/histoire-peugeot-logo.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3883 "2023-05-08T18:47:35Z")
They look like Peugeot Landtrek pick-up trucks. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3884 "2023-05-08T20:01:01Z")
1923 looks like the lion is going to the litter room… ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3885 "2023-05-08T22:26:39Z")
> [@Cardigan](#): > > The general rule in warfare is every hour spent in preparation favors the defense over the offense. That, and Russia isn’t just sitting there. They have artillery and missiles in all of the places that they control, which they are using to hit the places they don’t control. The sooner you get them out of the places they control, the less damage they can inflict on the places in range of that. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3886 "2023-05-08T22:30:54Z")
> [@Cardigan](#): > > Considering they’re most likely going to be found travelling or parking on roads and improved surfaces, white paint is actually pretty good for the purposes of ‘blending into the environment’ I read something like that back in the '80s. In a ‘survivalist’ situation, don’t paint your vehicle(s) camouflage. The best camouflage makes them blend in with everyone else’s vehicle. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3887 "2023-05-08T22:38:51Z")
The DC snipers used a blue chevy Caprice. Made it pretty hard to get an id on their vehicle. > **[D.C. sniper attacks](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.C._sniper_attacks)** > > The D.C. sniper attacks (also known as the Beltway sniper attacks) were a series of coordinated shootings that occurred during three weeks in October 2002 throughout the Washington metropolitan area, consisting of the District of Columbia, Maryland, and Virginia. Ten people were killed, and three others were critically wounded. > The snipers were John Allen Muhammad (age 41 at the time) and Lee Boyd Malvo (age 17 at the time), who traveled in a blue 1990 Chevrolet Caprice sedan. Their crime spre... ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3888 "2023-05-08T22:53:55Z")
But wouldn’t the drone on the back with the red top give away their cover? Maybe paint the drones white? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=189) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=191)