# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 192
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2023, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3909 "2023-05-10T13:35:07Z")
Shorter video. šŸ˜„ The Russians are running away. They must be greeen replacements. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/XEaqO_LVFUM/maxresdefault.jpg "Ukraine: Area of Bakhmut liberated as Putin's troops 'flee'") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEaqO_LVFUM) ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2023, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3910 "2023-05-10T14:18:02Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > They must be greeen replacements. What makes you say that? Itā€™s just a video of people running. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2023, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3911 "2023-05-10T14:32:30Z")
If Russian forces are fleeing when Ukraine tries to advance, itā€™s yet another piece of evidence that morale and logistics are the kings of war. It doesnā€™t matter how many conscripts you have if theyā€™re not willing to face the enemy. It doesnā€™t matter how many rockets and shells you can launch from afar if your soldiers arenā€™t willing to face the enemy. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2023, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3912 "2023-05-10T14:37:12Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > The Russians are running away. They must be greeen replacements. Or just smart. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2023, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3913 "2023-05-10T14:48:19Z")
Are the ones running the front line troops? or the back-up troops who are supposed to shoot the front line troops? Odd army structure. ---
**Author:** ![SoToasty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sotoasty/32/2803_2.png) [@SoToasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SoToasty)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2023, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3914 "2023-05-10T14:51:30Z")
I dont know, but logically, they would be the backup troops. Having shot all the retreating front line troops, they no longer had orders and decided to go home. /s ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2023, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3915 "2023-05-10T14:54:50Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Are the ones running the front line troops? or the back-up troops who are supposed to shoot the front line troops? > > Odd army structure. My guess is those are the troops from the 72nd motorized bridge. The ones that remained are presumably the Wagnerites, since they received orders that they will be considered traitors if they do retreat. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2023, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3916 "2023-05-10T15:02:39Z")
Message from up high saves Russian soldierā€™s life: > ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2023, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3917 "2023-05-10T15:07:45Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Are the ones running the front line troops? or the back-up troops who are supposed to shoot the front line troops? Theyā€™re the backup backup troops who are supposed to shoot the backup troops if the backup troops donā€™t shoot the frontline troops. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2023, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3918 "2023-05-10T16:20:27Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > I didnā€™t realize Prigozhin was personally leading his troops from the front line in Bakhmut. Now it makes a lot more sense why Putin hasnā€™t taken any action against him. Yep - Putin might be hoping the Ukrainians take care of his Wagner ā€œproblemā€ for him. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2023, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3919 "2023-05-10T16:23:34Z")
From the language, it sounds like regular Russian defense ministry forces are holding parts of the Bakhmut line, presumably territory ganed by Wagner, and the regulars canā€™t even muster the stones to hold a prepared defensive position against Ukrainian pressure. Disgusting as it sounds, it seems that Wagner is the only force with the will to take and hold ground. And they seem to have bled themselves pale doing it, and their replacements wonā€™t do the job. I have no idea how Russia continues to delude themselves they can win in the field. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2023, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3920 "2023-05-10T17:38:02Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > My guess is those are the troops from the 72nd motorized bridge. The ones that remained are presumably the Wagnerites, since they received orders that they will be considered traitors if they do retreat. Which must sting a bit with Prigozhin, the number of times heā€™s thrown ā€œtraitorā€ at the Russian military and logistics. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2023, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3921 "2023-05-10T21:04:32Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Denny take on the Russian retreat. Any chance you could give us more than just a link to a video? Maybe summarize his point? I do realize youā€™re not the only Doper who does this. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2023, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3922 "2023-05-11T00:53:33Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > From the language, it sounds like regular Russian defense ministry forces are holding parts of the Bakhmut line, presumably territory ganed by Wagner, and the regulars canā€™t even muster the stones to hold a prepared defensive position against Ukrainian pressure. > > Disgusting as it sounds, it seems that Wagner is the only force with the will to take and hold ground. And they seem to have bled themselves pale doing it, and their replacements wonā€™t do the job. In fairness, I canā€™t imagine the stress soldiers must be under in this war. In previous wars, there were rather well defined ā€˜frontsā€™, and if you were even a few miles back from the front you were pretty much safe. So soldiers could rotate out of the front and decompress, then rotate back in. Previous wars had bombing and strafing by aircraft, but they were generally high value targets. If you were in a foxhole miles behind the line you were completely safe. Now, if you are a soldier in Ukraine death can rain down on you at any time. Iā€™ve seen lots of videos of Russians being killed in their sleep in trenches by drones dropping grenades on them. A command center 50 km behind enemy lines gets clobbered by high precision artillery when some idiot makes a cell phone call. Just being transported to the front runs the risk of your column getting smacked by drones. Thereā€™s simply no respite from the threat of instant death. Thatā€™s got to take a huge pyschological toll. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2023, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3923 "2023-05-11T11:14:11Z")
Weā€™re 63 weeks into the war. On the one hand, it feels longer. On the other, the steady drip of news and horror makes it seem like much less. [Ukraine says that its forces have broken through Russian lines near Bahkmut.](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/5/11/ukraine-strikes-back-in-bakhmut-as-russia-wrangles-with-wagner) Wagner wants more ammo and Europe is happy to send it to them via Ukraine. Biden [wants to send seized Russian funds to Ukraine](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/5/10/us-approves-first-transfer-of-seized-russian-funds-to-ukraine). ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2023, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3924 "2023-05-11T11:20:50Z")
The UK is supplying Ukraine with long range cruise missiles. The exact number is unclear in the articles Iā€™ve read. > **[Britain has supplied Ukraine with long-range cruise missiles- official](https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/britain-has-supplied-ukraine-with-long-range-cruise-missiles-cnn-2023-05-11/)** > > Britain has supplied Ukraine with Storm Shadow long-range cruise missiles, a Western official said on Thursday, which would allow its forces to hit Russian troops and logistics hubs deep behind the front line. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2023, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3925 "2023-05-11T12:36:58Z")
Misleading headline. Is providing, not has provided. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2023, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3926 "2023-05-11T14:41:11Z")
It didnā€™t take long for Russia to try countering Ukraineā€™s Western Tanks. Iā€™d hate to encounter uncrewed ground vehicles (UGVs) [https://www.armyrecognition.com/ukraine\_-\_russia\_conflict\_war\_2022/russia\_to\_deploy\_marger\_ugv\_with\_kornet\_anti-tank\_missiles\_to\_fight\_european/us\_tanks\_in\_ukraine.amp.html](https://www.armyrecognition.com/ukraine_-_russia_conflict_war_2022/russia_to_deploy_marger_ugv_with_kornet_anti-tank_missiles_to_fight_european/us_tanks_in_ukraine.amp.html) Link [Meet the Kornet: Russiaā€™s Killer Anti-Tank Weapon | The National Interest](https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/meet-kornet-russia%E2%80%99s-killer-anti-tank-weapon-194159) > [@](#): > > Developed following the fall of the Soviet Union in 1994, the Kornet was meant to defeat all current peer tanks, including the Leopard 2 and M1 Abrams tanks. To achieve this, it was designed with a tandem-charge warhead. The Kornetā€™s tandem charge warhead is of an advanced design, where the [two HEAT charges are separated by the missileā€™s rocket motor](http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/sites/default/files/missile/s.gurov/Russia/ATGW/Kornet_EM/1.jpg). This stands in contrast to Western tandem-charge warheads, where the two HEAT charges are [stacked one behind the other](http://www.army-technology.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2017/09/tow6.jpg). > **[Russiaā€™s Plan to Field Kornet Missiles Has a Glaring Problem: Trails of Brown...](https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a43568802/russian-kornet-missiles/)** > > The Kornet, now nearly three decades old, is not a bad missile, but itā€™s not a great one either. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2023, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3927 "2023-05-11T14:46:42Z")
Emphasis on ā€œtryā€. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2023, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/3928 "2023-05-11T14:50:32Z")
Does MARKER have a Reverse gear? 50 quatloos says the Ukrainian Army captures at least a dozen of them in the first week they are deployed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=191) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=193)