# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 211
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2023, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4295 "2023-06-02T21:04:15Z")
> [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](#): > > Yep, it’s time… > > > [@](#): > > > > MAXIM 29: The enemy of my enemy is my enemy’s enemy. No more. No less. Heh, that’s exactly what I was thinking, on reading that post, too. > [@LSLGuy](#): > > Not that the pipsqueak RVC are in any danger of unseating Putin or of inheriting all of Russia, but none of the various factions and militias and such that are floating around in the dark corners of both the Kremlin and of Russia at large are much better than Putin himself. Probably not realistic, but I still hold a (very faint) glimmer of hope of Kasparov ending up in charge. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2023, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4296 "2023-06-02T21:13:30Z")
People in Kyiv are tired but find ways to get through it. > ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2023, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4297 "2023-06-03T00:38:28Z")
Grumpy Kitty is completely done with your air raid bullshit, Vlad. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2023, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4298 "2023-06-03T09:41:37Z")
[Wagner boss claims that Russian troops planted mines to harm his fighters in Bakhmut.](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65788462) I sure do hate it when Putin’s dogs fight each other. ---
**Author:** ![Mikkel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikkel/32/13151_2.png) [@Mikkel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mikkel)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2023, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4299 "2023-06-03T09:47:48Z")
He sure does, but the link is to the spy-boat story. here is a link: > **[Wagner boss says Russian forces laid mines to harm his fighters](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/6/3/wagner-boss-says-russian-forces-laid-mines-to-harm-his-fighters)** > > Mercenary force boss Yevgeny Prigozhin says Russian defence officials planted explosives on route of Wagner’s retreat. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2023, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4300 "2023-06-03T10:33:01Z")
Dang it! Trying to feed cats and post links is a bad combination!😂 At least it wasn’t something embarrassing. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2023, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4301 "2023-06-03T11:52:26Z")
So it was the cats walking across your keyboard!?! Do you have an infinite number of cats and keyboards? /jk ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2023, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4302 "2023-06-03T12:07:47Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > Ukraine did indeed have a bit of a neo-Nazi issue. It just wasn’t nearly the scope Putin claimed. And we should note, Ukraine would have had an easier time of dealing with those Nazis if someone else wasn’t destabilizing the parts of Ukraine in which the Nazis were operating, limiting Ukraine’s options for application of force. ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2023, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4303 "2023-06-03T13:39:52Z")
> **[Cornered in Ukraine and isolated by the West, the Kremlin returns to Cuba |...](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/russia-cuba-ukraine-putin-missiles-1.6863359)** > > Thirty years after the USSR dissolved and abandoned Cuba, the Kremlin is back in the Caribbean with a series of military, political and economic agreements that appear aimed at giving Russia a presence close to North America. Some Cubans fear their... ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2023, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4304 "2023-06-03T14:07:06Z")
Mods, the last post was an error and I missed the edit window. Please remove as appropriate. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2023, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4305 "2023-06-03T15:01:35Z")
A bar graph in the article shows the Kiev missle attacks by month and the number of days. It’s a dramatic increase since January. Imho it’s in response to air defense. A smaller percentage gets through and Russia compensates by sending more missiles. Link [Kyiv missile strikes: Tracking the rise of Russian attacks](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65682618) > [@](#): > > “Right now we’re seeing more strikes against large population centres, which puts Ukraine in a position where they’re forced to expend interceptors to defend their cities,” she says. > > Interceptors are surface-to-air missiles used to shoot down attacking drones or missiles. > But there might also be another reason for the increased attack frequency, says Ms Massicot. > > During this war, Russia has used missiles to show its population it is doing something - and Massicot says the recent strikes are likely a reaction to [attacks inside Russia that Moscow has blamed on Ukraine](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65751632). > > “I think we’re seeing a combination of both things: realising they need to wear down Ukrainian air defences, and lashing out over some of their setbacks,” she says. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2023, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4306 "2023-06-03T15:38:18Z")
FYI … If you want mod action, click the … on the offending post, then the flag icon, then explain what you want in the input box at the bottom. They respond very promptly to those report / PMs. They do not respond at all to posts starting out “hey mods”. Except by the random happenstance of seeing your post. Which is not all that likely. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2023, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4307 "2023-06-03T15:45:12Z")
I think we can leave the post. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2023, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4308 "2023-06-03T15:54:54Z")
[Here’s an analysis](https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/02/europe/ukraine-cross-border-tactics-analysis-intl/index.html) by a “CNN Senior International correspondent” (the article’s description) on the usefulness of the cross-border attacks into Russia, headlined: " Ukraine’s cross-border tactics are aimed at destabilizing Russia. Judging by the response, they’re working." I don’t have anywhere near the expertise to question the analysis, and would be interested to hear from those of you who could discuss how [in]accurate this take is. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2023, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4309 "2023-06-03T16:09:11Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > [Here’s an analysis](https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/02/europe/ukraine-cross-border-tactics-analysis-intl/index.html) by a “CNN Senior International correspondent” Coincidentally, that’s the article that prompted my FQ question about ‘bravery gongs’. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2023, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4310 "2023-06-03T17:06:25Z")
As I said in the other thread, I think the point is far more to pull Russian military assets away from the southern front. Based on the current lines, the obvious thing for Ukraine to do is attack south from Zaporizhzhia towards Melitopol and the Sea of Azov. If they are successful in such an attack, they would make the Russian position in southern Kherson completely untenable, and significantly complicate the Russian logistical situation in Crimea. Add in a Storm Shadow attack on the Kerch bridge, and the Russian situation would become critical. Of course, the Russians are well aware that this is the obvious thing for Ukraine to do, and so have been trying to prepare for it. They’ve been building defensive lines, saving up artillery ammo, etc. Given what we saw last year with Ukraine telegraphing the Kherson offensive (which was then the “obvious” place to attack, given the logistical complications of the Dnipro crossings being under constant attack) and then blindsiding the Russians with the Kharkiv offensive, I would not be surprised to see a fair bit of deviousness in the Ukrainian approach to this year’s offensive. These cross-border attacks are likely part of that. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2023, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4311 "2023-06-03T18:07:54Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > I would not be surprised to see a fair bit of deviousness in the Ukrainian approach to this year’s offensive. See? That’s just what Nazis would do. Besides not rolling over and welcoming their Russian comrades with open arms, that’s further proof Putin was right!!1! ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2023, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4312 "2023-06-03T18:33:25Z")
Or attack in multiple spots at once, the “obvious” targets and elsewhere. Back in my days of taking martial arts, I learned that a kick to the groin was unlikely to succeed, because men reflexively do a very good job of protecting their groin. But for the same reason, it makes an excellent feint for the punch the the face that you launch at the same time. Unless they don’t fall for the feint, in which case it’s a kick to the groin. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2023, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4313 "2023-06-03T18:47:41Z")
That’s exactly what Ukraine did last summer with the attacks in both Kherson and Kharkiv. They could potentially do something similar with Melitopol/Berdyansk in the south and Svatove/Starobilsk in the northeast, with the added fun of actually letting the Russian militias try to hold territory around Belgorod or Bryansk if the Russians refuse to transfer forces away from the Ukrainian fronts to defend their own country. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2023, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4314 "2023-06-03T20:16:12Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > But for the same reason, it makes an excellent feint for the punch the the face that you launch at the same time. Unless they don’t fall for the feint, in which case it’s a kick to the groin. Yeah. One or the other is gonna get through except with an expert opponent. If it’s really your day, both will. If it’s really _not_ your day, well, … it’s _really_ not your day. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=210) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=212)