# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 212
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2023, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4315 "2023-06-04T05:29:50Z")
General Petraeus could be a valuable advisor to Ukraine. Russian forces could be in for a long summer. The Kyiv Independent interview with Petraeus is very interesting. He talks about Ukraine achieving сombined arms with their forces. Guardian blog > [@](#): > > **Ukraine’s counteroffensive plan is “very impressive” and can succeed** , Gen David Petraeus told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme, adding that the Ukrainians were “determined to liberate their country”. Petraeus, who has headed the CIA and led international forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, has been in Kyiv recently, meeting Volodymyr Zelenskiy and others. > **[Retired US General Petraeus: ‘Now it's inevitable – we should give the ATACMS’](https://kyivindependent.com/retired-us-general-petraeus-this-is-ukraines-own-greatest-generation/)** > > The Kyiv Independent interviewed retired U.S. General David Petraeus on the sidelines of a security conference held by the Cipher Brief in Kyiv on May 31. > > Petraeus is a four-star U.S. general who has commanded two wars. He has headed multinational... ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2023, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4316 "2023-06-04T13:49:45Z")
There were some technical issues as Solovyov’s TV show moved into a new studio, presumably under several meters of reinforced concrete: > > > Julia Davis @JuliaDavisNews Russian weather forecast: > > > Julia Davis @JuliaDavisNews Genocidal Russian TV presenter: > > > Julia Davis @JuliaDavisNews > > > Julia Davis @JuliaDavisNews ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2023, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4317 "2023-06-04T15:33:51Z")
> Host Olga Skabeeva said Russia needs the final solution of the Ukrainian question and proposed “destroying every living thing” in the Kharkiv region. I think Putin and his gang can stop looking for the “Nazis” now. Here they are. Pretty fucking obvious. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2023, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4318 "2023-06-04T15:33:54Z")
They seem nice. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2023, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4319 "2023-06-04T15:49:35Z")
Does Olga mean Ogress? I hope most of the Russians are appalled by her Nazi-like statements. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2023, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4320 "2023-06-04T15:52:14Z")
Unfortunately, probably a majority of her viewers agree with her. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2023, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4321 "2023-06-04T22:47:22Z")
[Anti-Putin Russian fighters (the Liberty of Russia Legion & the Russian Volunteer Corps) have offered to hand over captured Russian soldiers to the local governor.](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65804249) They’re getting bolder. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2023, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4322 "2023-06-05T06:06:33Z")
> **[Russia says it thwarted major Ukrainian offensive](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65806152)** > > Moscow claims to have killed 250 Ukrainian troops, but this has not been independently verified. Is this the start of a counter-offensive, a distraction by Ukraine or a plain lie by Russia? ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2023, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4323 "2023-06-05T11:42:50Z")
And [Belgium is asking if weapons they gave to Ukraine were used by pro-Ukrainian forces during raids into Russia](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/6/5/belgium-probes-alleged-use-of-its-weapons-in-attack-on-russia), which was not part of the agreement when they were supplied. I’d think the Ukrainians wouldn’t directly allow this, since it might cause problems if their allies get more hesitant about sending in weaponry and such. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2023, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4324 "2023-06-05T12:27:48Z")
Reports during the counteroffensive (whenever it starts) from the Russian side should be ignored - Russian military culture has proven to be dominated by fear and gift, meaning that local commanders will be incentivized to give rosy reports to their superiors, regardless of the truth. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2023, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4325 "2023-06-05T12:33:45Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Reports during the counteroffensive (whenever it starts) from the Russian side should be ignored I saw a report earlier today, in which Western intelligence agencies were warning that Russia has already made a lot of propaganda videos for claiming the counter-offensive is failing, using old combat footage and the like. The Propaganda War is real, and we’re all on the frontlines of that one. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2023, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4326 "2023-06-05T12:57:33Z")
Sort of like how they destroyed fifty Bradleys before the vehicles in question even reached Europe. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2023, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4327 "2023-06-05T13:04:51Z")
Prigozhin says a “[settlement near Bakhmut was retaken by Ukraine.](https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-bakhmut-zelenskyy-wagner-prigozhin-4e99119fac2b0fb3ffcf95e5aa6ecf07)” Combined with his [allegedly capturing a Russian officer who apparently ordered his men to shoot at Wagner mercs while the officer was drunk](https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/05/wagner-group-release-video-of-captured-russian-commander), he’s really making some kind of power play. Either trying to be the next Putin or undercutting the Army brass. Or both. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2023, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4328 "2023-06-05T15:06:37Z")
> **[Ukraine war: 'Offensive actions' under way in east, Kyiv says](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65813560)** > > Ukrainian military sources say a series of small-scale operations are under way, including in Bakhmut. Could well be a feint or misdirection of course. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2023, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4329 "2023-06-05T17:42:09Z")
> **[Ukraine’s troops attack along front in apparent precursor to counteroffensive](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/05/ukrainian-troops-launch-attacks-along-donetsk-frontline)** > > Russian forces driven back in at least two areas as Kyiv says it has shifted to offensive operations in some sectors > **[Has the Ukrainian counteroffensive begun in its war with Russia?](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/05/has-the-ukrainian-counteroffensive-begun-in-its-war-with-russia)** > > Increased military activity along the frontline suggests the ‘spring-summer military campaign’ has entered a new phase > **[Wagner captures Russian commander as Prigozhin feud with army escalates](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/05/wagner-group-release-video-of-captured-russian-commander)** > > Lt Col Roman Venevitin seen telling interrogator he ordered troops to shoot at convoy of mercenaries ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4330 "2023-06-06T00:26:07Z")
Hornets to be used by Ukrainian forces to sting Russian soldiers in US-backed plan? > **[Retired RAAF fighter jets could be sent to Ukraine](https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/retired-raaf-fighter-jets-could-be-sent-to-ukraine-20230605-p5de0h)** > > Australia, the US and Ukraine are discussing sending 41 Royal Australian Air Force F/A-18 Hornets to Kyiv, rather than sending them to the scrapheap as planned. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4331 "2023-06-06T00:51:25Z")
Hey, as long as they’re airworthy and there’s plenty of spare parts, why not? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4332 "2023-06-06T01:01:26Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Hornets to be used by Ukrainian forces to sting Russian soldiers in US-backed plan? > > [Russia-Ukraine war: Australia may send Retired RAAF fighter jets to Zelensky](https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/retired-raaf-fighter-jets-could-be-sent-to-ukraine-20230605-p5de0h) Here’s a non-paywalled link I found. > **[Retired Australian F/A-18 Hornet fighter jets could be sent to Ukraine – AFR](https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/06/06/retired-australian-f-a-18-hornet-fighter-jets-could-be-sent-to-ukraine-afr/)** > > Australia, the US, and Ukraine are discussing sending 41 Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) F/A-18 Hornet fighter jets to Kyiv, rather than scrapping them as planned, The Australian Financial Review (AFR) reports, referring to its sources. According... > Australia, the US, and Ukraine are discussing sending 41 Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) F/A-18 Hornet fighter jets to Kyiv, rather than scrapping them as planned, The Australian Financial Review (AFR) [reports](https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/retired-raaf-fighter-jets-could-be-sent-to-ukraine-20230605-p5de0h), referring to its sources. ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4333 "2023-06-06T01:58:18Z")
In [other Australian-Ukrainian news](https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/hawkei-armoured-cars-bound-for-ukraine-war-in-australian-support-deal-20230605-p5de5a.html?btis): > Australia is set to give Ukraine the missile-capable, four-wheel-drive armoured cars that it has been requesting for months – the Hawkei – as the centrepiece of a forthcoming support package. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4334 "2023-06-06T02:14:17Z")
If, (and it’s a big IF), Ukraine manages to take out the majority of Russian anti-aircraft defenses, that should be… game over at this point. I wonder if that has been war-gamed. (And I think Ukraine is getting plenty of strategic advice/intel from a variety of sources.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=211) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=213)