# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 214
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4355 "2023-06-06T05:17:24Z")
Rising waters: > > > Ostap Yarysh @OstapYarysh > > ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4356 "2023-06-06T05:32:47Z")
Graph showing water level in the reservoir higher than usual pre-war level: > ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4357 "2023-06-06T08:58:32Z")
[quote=“Snarky\_Kong, post:4335, topic:973972, full:true”] “The Nova Kakhovka dam was blown up last night. Wild. Going to be lots of flooding in Kherson oblast. The reservoir is also used to cool the Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant.” It’s almost like someone is really determined to create a “nuclear incident” with that power plant. That’s not a little damage, that’s not something that could be patched. I wonder if they have to basically start over to rebuild that dam? (sorry, the quote tags seems to have gotten messed up) > [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Russian state media now also: > > [https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1665929603251068928](https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1665929603251068928) Yeah, funny that - you keep damaging a dam and suddenly it collapses. Damage it with explosives and sure, it will collapse. Nice way to talk about it without accepting blame. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4358 "2023-06-06T13:12:46Z")
The dam _just happens_ to ‘get damaged’ at the same time as the Ukrainians launching what is clearly the very final stage of shaping operations for their counter-offensive? Right. I suspect someone is mortally afraid of what’s coming their way and are doing everything in their power to delay that. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4359 "2023-06-06T13:33:04Z")
It’s pretty clear that it was done by the Russians, but I think it’s pointless to speculate about their strategic reasons for doing it. I don’t think there was any strategic reason: I think it was done purely out of spite, like most of the other Russian attacks. It hurts Ukrainians, therefore do it, regardless of what it’ll mean for the actual war. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4360 "2023-06-06T14:20:53Z")
The dam was a major crossing point south over the Dnipro river. Plus it is a further blow to Ukrainian electricity production which the Russians have been attacking for months. Taking it out clearly helps the Russian defence although it feels a bit desperate. And it’ll mean a bit of a water shortage in Crimea. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4361 "2023-06-06T14:38:31Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > It’s pretty clear that it was done by the Russians, but I think it’s pointless to speculate about their strategic reasons for doing it. I’ll speculate it means the Russians don’t think they can hold Crimea. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4362 "2023-06-06T14:40:46Z")
Russian state media reported in November last year that Crimea’s reservoirs had been topped up and had enough water for two years of supply: > ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4363 "2023-06-06T15:04:30Z")
> [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](#): > > it’ll mean a bit of a water shortage in Crimea. How much of a shortage? I know nothing about the geography of Crimea. About a year ago I remember reading something about the water supply…and how even after Russia conquered Crimea, Ukraine continued to allow the full supply of water flowing from its territory to Crimea. It seemed to me like a “gentleman’s agreement” that both Ukraine and Russia understood that disrupting the water supply would make things worse for both sides somehow. Can somebody explain to me how? Why didn’t Ukraine block the water supply a year ago, or even 7 years ago, when they lost control of Crimea? ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4364 "2023-06-06T15:06:23Z")
> [@](#): > > Ukraine shut down the canal in 2014 soon after Russia annexed Crimea. Russia restored the flow of water in March 2022 during the Russian invasion of Ukraine. > **[North Crimean Canal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Crimean_Canal)** > > The North Crimean Canal (Ukrainian: Північно-Кримський канал, romanized: Pivnichno-Krymskyi kanal, Russian: Северо-Крымский канал, romanized: Severo-Krymskii Kanal, in the Soviet Union: North Crimean Canal of the Lenin's Komsomol of Ukraine) is a land improvement canal for irrigation and watering of Kherson Oblast in southern Ukraine and the Crimean Peninsula. The canal has multiple branches throughout Kherson Oblast and Crimea, and is normally active from March until December. > Preparation for c... ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4365 "2023-06-06T15:13:04Z")
Video of what Russians claim was them destroying a Leopard tank: > > ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4366 "2023-06-06T15:48:46Z")
Was gonna say, not sure what it is, but it’s not a tank. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4367 "2023-06-06T15:49:43Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Video of what Russians claim was them destroying a Leopard tank: What did they hit the vehicle with? A guided rocket of some sort? ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4368 "2023-06-06T15:53:27Z")
The tweet says anti-tank guided missiles from a Ka-52 attack helicopter. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4369 "2023-06-06T15:55:27Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > [https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1666096408414543875](https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1666096408414543875) Ah, thanks. The phrase “ATGM from Ka-52” meant nothing to me without explanation. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4370 "2023-06-06T15:58:31Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > ATGM from Ka-52 ”ATGM" == “Anti-Tank Guided Missile” “Ka-52” == Kamov Ka-52 Alligator, Russian attack helicopter from the Kamov helicopter manufacturer. There will not be a quiz on this matter. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4371 "2023-06-06T16:03:02Z")
Yesterday: > Coincidence? > (John Deere make agricultural vehicles) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4372 "2023-06-06T16:08:46Z")
> [@chappachula](#): > > Why didn’t Ukraine block the water supply a year ago, or even 7 years ago, when they lost control of Crimea? I would imagine depriving 2 million civilians of drinking water is considered a humanitarian travesty, and would have lost Ukraine a lot of international support. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4373 "2023-06-06T16:14:48Z")
Flooding: > > ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4374 "2023-06-06T16:35:45Z")
Here’s [another article about the dam](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/6/6/the-nova-kakhovka-dam-what-you-need-to-know). Russians, Ukrainians and just damage getting worse are all blamed. Thankfully the nuclear plants don’t seem to be in any current danger. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=213) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=215)