# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 215
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4375 "2023-06-06T16:50:52Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > The tweet says anti-tank guided missiles from a Ka-52 attack helicopter. … and - once again - the Ka-52 prevailed over farm equipment … ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4376 "2023-06-06T18:53:38Z")
US intelligence leaning towards Russia as perpetrator: > [@](#): > > The United States government has intelligence that is leaning toward Russia as the culprit of the attack on the dam in Ukraine, according to two U.S. officials and one Western official. > > President Joe Biden’s administration was working to declassify some of the intelligence and share it as early as Tuesday afternoon. > **[Ukraine and Russia accuse each other of blowing up key dam](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/khakovka-dam-live-updates-ukraine-russia-blew-up-kherson-rcna87855#rcrd13603)** > > Coverage on the Nova Kakhovka dam attack. History repeats, except this time the Russians are the Nazis: > **[Second world war: Dnieper dam blown up by Russians – archive, August 1941](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/02/second-world-war-dnieper-dam-blown-up-by-russians-1941)** > > Stalin’s secret police blew up the dam in an attempt to slow the advance of Nazi German troops as they swept through Soviet-era Ukraine ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4377 "2023-06-06T19:15:43Z")
Hey, those vehicles have been responsible for the loss of enough Russian tanks that they’re totally a legitimate military target! ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4378 "2023-06-06T19:40:34Z")
> > ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4379 "2023-06-06T21:07:26Z")
Dam before and after. A lot missing. > Drone footage of flooding: > Ukrainian officer claims Russian soldiers washed away: > [@](#): > > Ukrainian troops witnessed Russian soldiers being swept up in flood waters and fleeing the east bank of the Dnipro River after the collapse of the Nova Khakovka dam, an officer in Ukraine’s armed forces said. Many Russian troops were killed or wounded in the chaos, according to the officer. > > Capt. Andrei Pidlisnyi said when the dam collapsed in the early hours of Tuesday morning “no one on the Russian side was able to get away. All the regiments the Russians had on that side were flooded.” > > Pidlisnyi told CNN he believed the Russians had deliberately attacked the dam to disrupt Ukrainian forces’ plans for an upcoming offensive. > **[June 6, 2023 Russia-Ukraine news](https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-06-06-23/index.html)** > > The collapse of the Nova Kakhovka dam on the Dnipro River on Tuesday promted evacuations due to rising floodwaters in the Russian-occupied Kherson region in southern Ukraine. Follow live updates here. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4380 "2023-06-06T21:18:39Z")
I would not be at all surprised if Russian command either did not give two shits about their own troops, or were so incompetent, they did not think about the consequences of blowing the dam. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4381 "2023-06-06T21:33:27Z")
Plus the endemic lack of communication and cooperation between different commands. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4382 "2023-06-06T21:57:13Z")
is there any information on how long the flooding should last? … I have no feeling for that … couple of days? … couple of weeks? months? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4383 "2023-06-06T22:15:59Z")
Latest I read was it was supposed to peak Wednesday, remain at high water for a couple days more then start to receded. Water will continue to flow downstream at a lower rate for about a week. Will probably take flooded areas between a week (for higher ground) to even a couple _months_ for low-lying and river-side areas. Please keep in mind I am not an expert on these things and estimates may be changed/updated with new information. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4384 "2023-06-06T22:28:59Z")
At this point I kind of wonder if Russia or Ukraine has killed more Russians, in this war. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4385 "2023-06-06T22:36:32Z")
Were most of these villages already depopulated by the war? How many people will actually be displaced by the flooding? ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4386 "2023-06-06T23:29:08Z")
Ukrainian government statements indicate ~17,000 on the Ukrainian-controlled side and ~25,000 on the Russian-controlled side will need evacuation. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4387 "2023-06-06T23:36:00Z")
Which would be just the people, not counting all the animals, whether pets or livestock or wildlife. And the ruination, for whatever period of time, of farmland, cities, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2023, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4388 "2023-06-07T04:22:53Z")
Seems that is basically Russias “plan” at this point; just wreck as much as they can. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2023, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4389 "2023-06-07T08:51:48Z")
Russia reminds me of an abusive, jealous boyfriend/husband 1. assumes the other party is in love with him 2. gets furious when the other party does not reciprocate and/or obey him 3. abuses the other party and destroys their possessions to punish the lack of obedience 4. adopts a “if I can’t have her no one can” and proceeds to use progressively more lethal force ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2023, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4390 "2023-06-07T13:19:53Z")
Much is being made about how blowing the dam is affecting the Dnieper River below the former dam site. I’m curious if the no longer dammed up waters _upstream_ might eventually afford the Ukrainians any opportunity to possibly cross the river at a narrower point, perhaps near the infamous nuclear power plant? ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2023, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4391 "2023-06-07T15:17:54Z")
My guess would be not. At a minimum, the river would likely be several hundred meters wide and it would have kilometers of drying river sludge on either side. At the narrowest points, the Kakhovka reservoir was still about 4 km wide. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2023, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4392 "2023-06-08T00:42:15Z")
The primary upstream results will be that irrigation systems that rely on the reservoir will fail. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2023, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4393 "2023-06-08T11:54:10Z")
Red Cross warns Mines are being uprooted in the flood waters. That should make them easier to pickup off the ground. Some will be buried in mud. I saw yesterday that the UK and US are still investigating the dam attack. No conclusions yet. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2023, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4394 "2023-06-08T12:43:49Z")
This is interesting, but I don’t know how reliable it is (it doesn’t _sound_ propagandistic) [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/RQbQXUxfhGM/maxresdefault.jpg "06 Jun: MAJOR TURMOIL!!! UKRAINIAN 20 km STRATEGIC BRIDGEHEAD WIPED OUT | War in Ukraine Explained") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQbQXUxfhGM) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=214) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=216)