# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/441 "2022-11-10T02:17:52Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > From the article: > > > Moscow’s ministry of defence had claimed everything was going to plan. “All attacks by the Ukrainian army in the Kherson region have been repulsed,” it said > > And therefore the Russians are retreating. > > Makes perfect sense. So, in 10th grade, for a team project on Roman History, we did a mock news show, like if they’d had television news back in the first century AD. One of the skits we did was reporting live from the Teutoburg Forest, circa 9 AD. Playing Varus, I assured the “reporter” everything was fine, not to be alarmed by false reports of a major defeat, and in fact we were in the process of conducting a “tactical withdrawal” from the area and nothing more. I then started walking off-camera, drawing my sword while muttering “What will Caesar do to me…?” Once off-screen, I admitted a long, agonized groan, and the “reporter” then relayed the shocking news that I had fallen on my sword. All that to say… I never would have guessed that at 16 I had every qualification to be a General in Putin’s army. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/442 "2022-11-10T03:02:17Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > First, Putin dies (whether of natural causes or by falling out a window) The term for the latter is defenestration. > **[Defenestration](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenestration)** > > Defenestration (from Neo-Latin de fenestrā) is the act of throwing someone or something out of a window. > The term was coined around the time of an incident in Prague Castle in the year 1618 which became the spark that started the Thirty Years' War. This was done in "good Bohemian style", referring to the defenestration which had occurred in Prague's New Town Hall almost 200 years earlier (July 1419), and on that occasion led to the Hussite war. The word comes from the Neo-Latin de- (d By extens... ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/443 "2022-11-10T03:06:55Z")
You really just go around rephrasing other people’s posts for no reason? ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/444 "2022-11-10T03:37:04Z")
GIve him a break. Defenestration is a cool word that one very rarely gets a chance to use. Given that we have the perfect opportunity here, it’s no wonder he wants to take it out for a spin. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/445 "2022-11-10T03:49:27Z")
[Vladimir Putin will not attend a gathering of leaders from the G20 nations in Bali next week](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/10/vladimir-putin-will-not-attend-g20-summit-in-bali-indonesian-official-says?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other), according to an Indonesian government official. If he went, would he ever get back? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/446 "2022-11-10T04:15:38Z")
> [@Askance](#): > > If he went, would he ever get back? You have to bury him somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/447 "2022-11-10T04:59:52Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > If Ukraine re-captures all of Zaporizhzhia and Kherson Oblasts, and can also take the Kerch bridge permanently out of action, the Russian position in Crimea becomes very difficult from a logistical perspective. You know, I had thought about that. If they could push back the Russians to having nothing but Crimea, maybe they could cut it off. After all, they’d be much closer to being able to hit the bridge with artillery at that point. Fresh water would already be cut off by then, and that bridge would be just about the only good resupply route left. Sadly, it seems that even the closest part of Ukraine outside Crimea is still around 100 miles from the bridge, and I don’t know of anything they have at the moment that can hit that far. They may have something that can, but it doesn’t seem to be officially known at this point. So if they take out that bridge, it looks like it’s going to be through an unconventional means. ---
**Author:** ![JaneDoe42](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/janedoe42/32/14104_2.png) [@JaneDoe42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JaneDoe42)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/448 "2022-11-10T05:05:51Z")
Agreed, that is a very cool word. I remember hearing it once before but you have to hear words more than once to be able to remember to use them in conversation. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 9:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/449 "2022-11-10T09:08:25Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > If Ukraine re-captures all of Zaporizhzhia and Kherson Oblasts, and can also take the Kerch bridge permanently out of action, the Russian position in Crimea becomes very difficult from a logistical perspective. They might end up in a situation like they’ve been in in Kherson - not actually conceding much ground, but suffering losses at levels they cannot sustain given the available logistical supply. I agree, Crimea will likely by choked out rather than punched out… > [@JaneDoe42](#): > > Agreed, that is a very cool word. I remember hearing it once before but you have to hear words more than once to be able to remember to use them in conversation. my 25 year old self disagrees with you … my 55 year old self fully understands what your are saying… ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/450 "2022-11-10T10:56:02Z")
back on topic: > > > but also … > ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/451 "2022-11-10T12:11:11Z")
Moderating: > [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > You really just go around rephrasing other people’s posts for no reason? Chill. No personal attacks in MPSIMS. If you think another poster is being disruptive, please report it. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/452 "2022-11-10T14:49:26Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > In the US, the electric locomotives on electric rail lines often are diesel locomotives. This is news to me. Even Amtrak, which has electrified territory from Boston to DC and non- south of there, pauses in DC to swap out the locomotives. I won’t say it is impossible but I am unaware of any locomotives in the US with _both_ a diesel prime mover and a way to collect power from a third rail or overhead. As I said in my post #380, diesels are perfectly capable of running under wires and often are for the maintenance trains where the power is off, but that doesn’t mean they have any use for it. ---
**Author:** ![BrickBat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac91a4/32.png) [@BrickBat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrickBat)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/453 "2022-11-10T16:26:02Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > I won’t say it is impossible but I am unaware of any locomotives in the US with _both_ a diesel prime mover and a way to collect power from a third rail or overhead. Metro North ( commuter ) Railroad operates dual mode GE diesels ( a 3200 HP version of the GE “Genisis” locomotive ) out of NYC that can run off their diesel prime mover or third rail electric. It’s predecessor “fallen flag” roads operated dual mode diesel/third rail since 1957, and the units saw service till the early “aughts”. NJT ( New Jersey Transit ) operates diesel units ( Alstom units, I believe ) that can also run off of overhead catenary. A straight diesel electric, either a passenger or freight unit can run “under the wires”, no problem. Happens all the time on the Northeast Corridor. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/454 "2022-11-10T21:21:36Z")
Wagner-affiliated Telegram channel Gray Zone: > [@](#): > > Armed forces of Ukraine entered the Russian city of Kherson ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/455 "2022-11-10T22:04:49Z")
That “Ukrainian counteroffensive” feeling: > ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/456 "2022-11-10T22:17:02Z")
Solovyov’s always ranting about grabbing people by the ears and shooting them. It’s obviously deeply ironic that Solovyov is complaining about people lying. > ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/457 "2022-11-10T23:19:48Z")
this guy is known for rather high-qual content: > and other - normally fairly good informed - Ukr tweeteria are talking about 18-22k RU troops still on the wrong side of the Dnipro > that could be a REAL turning point in the war … if the UKR manage to kill 5-10k troops in the next days, the mood might shift in RU (anybody remember the mamushkas organizing that were vital ending the Afgh. war (and implicitly, the soviet union) ? ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/458 "2022-11-10T23:25:33Z")
Rumor mill in overdrive tonight. > > > > ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/459 "2022-11-10T23:31:16Z")
another intense weekend - just like the Kharkiv / Itzum situation in sept … I have mixed feelings of me wanting to be “entertained” by news from UKR … its just like a slow motion train wreck … impossible not to look ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/460 "2022-11-10T23:35:47Z")
Ukrainian Defence Minister Oleksii Reznikov said in an interview with Reuters that it would take Russia at least a week to withdraw its troops from the city of Kherson. With the Ukrainians advancing at rapid pace - many settlements liberated today - and the Russians seemingly falling into their customary panic mode, things could go south quickly for the Russians (metaphorically, rather than physically). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=24)