# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 230
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4683 "2023-06-24T06:24:51Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > Rostov-on-Don, sorry, being lazy. Rostov-not-on-Don is NE of Moscow and much too far away from Ukraine for Prigozhin’s convoy to have reached. Interestingly and perhaps relevantly, R-o-D was the first major city taken back (however briefly) by the Red Army in WWII; in 1941 when the German overextended themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Toxylon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f05b48/32.png) [@Toxylon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toxylon)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4684 "2023-06-24T07:31:55Z")
Putin has given a televised speech (in which he never mentioned Prigozhin by name) where he called today’s Wagner actions a traitorous back stabbing and compared it to the 1917 revolution. He urged Wagner to stop, and promised that anyone opposing the current regime will be held responsible. He also stated that the Russian military has been ordered to stop Wagner, as an anti-terrorist move. ---
**Author:** ![FrenchDunadan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frenchdunadan/32/5449_2.png) [@FrenchDunadan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FrenchDunadan)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 9:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4685 "2023-06-24T09:58:32Z")
Putin acknowledged that Rostov on Don was no more in total Russian control, and called all Russians to support the regime. Alexei Navalny, main Putin’s opponent, supported Prigojine’s coup. Fighting in action near Voronezh (500 km south of Moscow) , one Russian helicopter and maybe one Russian aircraft downed. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4686 "2023-06-24T10:00:50Z")
Wow. From now until who-knows-when, maps showing the evolution of this war will have to include a third color. (Also, I thank the knowledgeable Dopers for informing us so well on this crisis). ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4687 "2023-06-24T10:17:56Z")
> [@Toxylon](#): > > compared it to the 1917 revolution I thought the 1917 revolution was considered a Good Thing. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 10:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4688 "2023-06-24T10:24:32Z")
Putin has been in the “actually czarism was good” bandwagon for awhile now. ---
**Author:** ![Toxylon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f05b48/32.png) [@Toxylon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toxylon)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 10:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4689 "2023-06-24T10:32:48Z")
At this moment, Russian forces and Wagner(ites) fighting in Voronezh, 500 km south of Moscow. Also reported: distinct lack of resistance to Wagner elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4690 "2023-06-24T11:02:19Z")
> [@Toxylon](#): > > Putin has given a televised speech (in which he never mentioned Prigozhin by name) where he called today’s Wagner actions a traitorous back stabbing and compared it to the 1917 revolution. Um… does Putin remember that the 1917 revolution was successful in deposing the tsar? And that currently he’s the “tsar”? ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4691 "2023-06-24T11:07:33Z")
Igor Girkin: > [@](#): > > Blood is pouring, the civil war has begun. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4692 "2023-06-24T11:15:15Z")
Airstrike on Wagner convoy (video): [https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1672556043157528576](https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1672556043157528576) ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4693 "2023-06-24T11:24:52Z")
Supposedly, private jets are leaving the Moscow area, at least some destined for Turkey. Totally unsubstantiated at this point but the notion that this might in fact be the case is … interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4694 "2023-06-24T11:45:07Z")
What will be interesting is if other agitators use this as an opportunity to make their move. i.e. the Belarussian opposition groups, Chechen rebels and so on. ---
**Author:** ![Toxylon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f05b48/32.png) [@Toxylon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toxylon)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4695 "2023-06-24T11:45:48Z")
Wagner has proceeded past Voronezh (despite Russian resistance), and is heading for Lipetsk, on their (attempted) way to Moscow. Chilly times, this midsummer. ---
**Author:** ![Toxylon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f05b48/32.png) [@Toxylon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toxylon)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4696 "2023-06-24T12:07:10Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Um… does Putin remember that the 1917 revolution was successful in deposing the tsar? And that currently he’s the “tsar”? Obviously, his not-well-thought-through reference meant to imply that the danger to the tsardom is in the same category as back then. Commentators have taken this to mean that Putin is actually scared, and the only possible outcome in the not-too-distant future is the death of either Prigozhin or Putin, with the odds of survival vastly in Putin’s favor. But weirder things have happened. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4697 "2023-06-24T12:12:27Z")
> [@Toxylon](#): > > At this moment, Russian forces and Wagner(ites) fighting in Voronezh, 500 km south of Moscow. > > Also reported: distinct lack of resistance to Wagner elsewhere. And as I’ve said for a long time now, this is what it will come down to: who will the regular forces support? Sure, the official Russian army has a lot more men and equipment than Wagner, but if they sit it out, or actively support Wagner, then Putin has a problem. And the more early success Wagner has, the more likely the regular troops are to abandon Putin. “Nothing succeeds like success”, and the last 24 hours have been some of the most successful for any Russian troops in this whole war. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4698 "2023-06-24T12:29:02Z")
It’s interesting to look at Google Maps traffic layer and see the state of the M4 road that goes from Rostov-on-Don to Moscow. Heavy traffic north of Voronezh which is half way to Moscow. There is a very recent video of a military helicopter, verified by the BBC as being from the city of Voronezh, destroying an oil depot. Most people are interpreting this as the Russians destroying their own facility to prevent Wagner from being to use it. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4699 "2023-06-24T12:33:10Z")
> [@](#): > > South-West Moscow, the expected entryway from Rostov’s direction. [![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzYwWC6XsAArgkl?format=jpg&name=large) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzYwWC6XsAArgkl?format=jpg&name=large) [https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1672577469507837954](https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1672577469507837954) > [@](#): > > Rybar’s map of Wagner Group’s apparent march on Moscow. [![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzYxwotWIAIj1YI?format=jpg&name=large) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzYxwotWIAIj1YI?format=jpg&name=large) [https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1672579025338871815](https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1672579025338871815) > [@](#): > > Putin’s plane left for St Petersburg, and Peskov promptly denied Putin leaving Moscow, which in good old Russian tradition assured the population Putin has left Moscow. [https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1672578805842563073](https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1672578805842563073) ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4700 "2023-06-24T12:36:00Z")
From BBC News. [https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-66006142](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-66006142) > **Summary** > > 1. President Putin decries “betrayal” and “treason” following a dramatic challenge by the chief of the Wagner mercenary force > 2. Yevgeny Prigozhin called for a rebellion against the army - although he has denied attempting a coup > 3. Wagner says it has taken the Russian city of Rostov-on-Don near the Ukraine border - residents have been told to stay indoors > 4. BBC News Russian sources also say Wagner mercenaries have seized military facilities in Voronezh, which is halfway between Rostov and Moscow > 5. Prigozhin has threatened to march on Moscow unless he meets Russia’s defence minister - and the UK says Wagner troops are heading towards the capital > 6. On Friday night, security in Russia was tightened, the internet was restricted and military trucks were spotted on Moscow streets > 7. Prigozhin accused the army of launching a deadly attack on his forces in Ukraine, where Wagner troops are fighting for Russia - Moscow denies this ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4701 "2023-06-24T12:37:42Z")
All of this is good news for Ukraine, I hope they make the best use of it. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4702 "2023-06-24T12:43:01Z")
Oryx starts count of Russian loyalist and Wagner rebel equipment losses in the 2023 Russian civil war: [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzYU888WwAEd\_g0?format=png&name=900x900](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzYU888WwAEd_g0?format=png&name=900x900) > **[Chef’s Special - Documenting Equipment Losses During The 2023 Wagner Group...](https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2023/06/chefs-special-documenting-equipment.html)** > > By Jakub Janovsky , naalsio26 ,  Aloha , Dan and Kemal This list only includes captured and destroyed vehicles and equipment of which ph... > [@](#): > > Pictures of Wagner PMC military equipment in Russia’s Lipetsk Oblast. > > We might actually see Wagner fighters in Moscow during the evening! [https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1672581788256927751](https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1672581788256927751) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=229) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=231)