# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 238
**Author:** ![Toxylon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f05b48/32.png) [@Toxylon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toxylon)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4843 "2023-06-26T11:05:37Z")
Really quite like the dry lake beds in the U.S. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4844 "2023-06-26T12:15:29Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Could be true, although I believe that Wagner’s leaders are all psychopaths. I’d say could be true, but the Telegraph is not the most cautious careful newspaper. I guess Prigozhin could have made the rookie mistake of not protecting his immediate family. Or maybe he just didn’t think Putin would go after the nieces and nephews, until Putin did. Prigozhin should have read: > **[Coup d'État: A Practical Handbook](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coup_d%27%C3%89tat:_A_Practical_Handbook)** > > Coup d'État: A Practical Handbook, first published in 1968, is a book by Edward Luttwak examining the conditions, strategy, planning, and execution of coups d'état. A revised edition of the book, with references to twenty-first century technology, was published in 2016. It has been published in 27 foreign languages, including, most recently, Thai and Hungarian. > In a 1980 review of the book, Richard Clutterbuck called Coup d'État: A Practical Handbook (1968) one of "only two general contemporar... ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4845 "2023-06-26T12:22:38Z")
_The Daily Telegraph_ is one of Britain’s “big three” quality newspapers, alongside _The Times_ and _The Guardian_. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4846 "2023-06-26T12:41:13Z")
The Daily Telegraph has spent the last decade or so spiralling down into full-on right-wing propagandistic fiction. It was always hardcore right-wing but it used to be reality-based. Now it makes up bullshit on a regular basis. It’s basically the Daily Mail for people with better vocabularies. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4847 "2023-06-26T12:41:30Z")
Right, it’s The Daily Mail whose readers don’t care who leads the country, so long as she has big tits. That might be the one you’re thinking of. The way to remember is that it rhymes with “Daily Fail”. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4849 "2023-06-26T12:42:26Z")
**Moderating:** Please, no hijack of this thread about Newspapers or news sources. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4850 "2023-06-26T12:46:45Z")
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**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4851 "2023-06-26T12:51:23Z")
Russian state news agency TASS reports: > [@](#): > > Wagner Group’s recruiting centers have now also reopened in Tyumen and Novosibirsk. Water under the bridge! [https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1673305876428357634](https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1673305876428357634) EDIT: Now, St Petersburg too! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4852 "2023-06-26T13:43:22Z")
One wonders how much draw they will have after recent events. Also - who’s left to join after all the recent conscriptions into the regular military? ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4853 "2023-06-26T15:09:01Z")
Q: is it **confirmed** that putin left moscow on a plane on saturday? … or is it rumors … (I think that piece of information is pretty vital at this stage … ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4854 "2023-06-26T15:41:09Z")
Putin’s personal plane fled north before switching off its transponder. Nobody knows for sure if Putin was on board it but let’s put it this way: if you want to be seen as someone who is unafraid and still working hard inside the Kremlin would you allow your plane to fly off empty to fulfil some other task, or would you order it to stay put? ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4855 "2023-06-26T15:42:08Z")
There was tracking of his private jet headed to St Petersberg. Whether he was on it (or if it was actually his plane and not a spoofed identifier) is unconfirmed (and denied by the Kremlin, but that means less than nothing). ---
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4856 "2023-06-26T15:54:50Z")
> **hidden by WE?** > > How about a wild eyed conspiracy theory. > > Prigozhin, like Putin, comes from St. Petersburg. (Or so I have read) > > Prigozhin backed down, it has been reported, after Putin made threats to his family. > > Putin’s plane was heading to St. Petersburg. > > What if it was not carrying Putin, but a few of Putin’s people with sledgehammers who were going to St. Petersburg to discuss current affairs with members of Prigozhin’s family? > > Connect the dot … > > Okay, maybe not. But it seems as likely as any other theory I could come up with. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4857 "2023-06-26T16:05:54Z")
**Moderating:** Breaking news threads are not the place for wild-eyed conspiracy theories. ---
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4858 "2023-06-26T16:12:42Z")
Fair enough. Sorry about that. ---
**Author:** ![raspberry\_hunter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b19c9b/32.png) [@raspberry\_hunter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raspberry_hunter)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4859 "2023-06-26T16:30:08Z")
Actually, thank you for your post because I missed that too 🙂 (And of course thank you @Balance! I felt that both your posts helped me understand a little better the kinds of pressures that are going on here…) ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4860 "2023-06-26T16:44:26Z")
> [@CoolHandCox](#): > > I’ve also read, if Russia loses, Putin would blame the generals. How important is it for the generals to preserve their best loyal troops for when they day comes the blame is pointed at the general - now that general at least, literally, has a fighting chance with a loyal army. It’s like Prigozhin set a template on how to save your hide. This could be important (fingers crossed). ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4861 "2023-06-26T17:40:19Z")
> [@Toxylon](#): > > compared it to the 1917 revolution Echoes of the Kornilov Affair: > **[Kornilov affair](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kornilov_affair)** > > The Kornilov affair, or the Kornilov putsch, was an attempted military coup d'état by the commander-in-chief of the Russian Army, General Lavr Kornilov, from 10 to 13 September 1917 (O.S., 27–30 August), against the Russian Provisional Government headed by Aleksander Kerensky and the Petrograd Soviet of Soldiers' and Workers' Deputies. The exact details and motivations of the Kornilov affair are unconfirmed due to the general confusion of all parties involved. Many historians have had to piece ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4862 "2023-06-26T18:44:01Z")
Probably not the right thread for this, but I wonder what will happen to all the various juntas in Africa that Wagner had been supporting now that Wagner forces are being integrated into the regular army? ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2023, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4863 "2023-06-26T19:13:33Z")
[Wagner boss says his March was not aimed at toppling Putin.](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-66006142) Yeah, he’s just a real salt of the earth fellow who loves his men. Or maybe it really wasn’t aimed at Putin. Who can say? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=237) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=239)