# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 243
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2023, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4944 "2023-07-01T00:06:31Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > > [@Cardigan](#): > > > > We should expect Russia to sabotage/blow up the nuclear power plant as soon as Ukr forces get near. > > Prevailing winds would put most of the fallout in Russia proper. I don’t think the powers that be in Russia care about that. Well, maybe they care to the extent that irradiating a lot of Russians might result in increased enlistment in the army and/or excuse to start using tactical nukes. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2023, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4945 "2023-07-01T01:06:50Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > If Ukraine has some kind of special forces, they might try a quick strike operation to seize the plant to try to forestall that bomb from being exploded. More likely the bomb is wired such that any attempt to defuse it will set it off, including moving toward it, so that the Russians can just GTHO of there, take cover, and then blame the Ukrainiansfor blowing up the plant – the rest of the world will roll their eyes, but Russians will eat it up. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2023, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4946 "2023-07-01T01:15:41Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > More likely the bomb is wired such that any attempt to defuse it will set it off, As long as the Ukrainians don’t cut the red wire, they should be safe. ---
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2023, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4947 "2023-07-01T02:06:50Z")
I thought it was the blue wire? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2023, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4948 "2023-07-01T02:07:11Z")
Oh shit! ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2023, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4949 "2023-07-01T02:47:16Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > They’re going to blame the Ukrainians for it. A little or even a lot of collateral damage in Russia that Ukraine is to blame for is probably seen by Putin as a good thing. yes, “owning” the UKR and “sticking it to the man” seems high on the agenda … once you know you wont win the war. **…_If you are unable to win, at least make the others miserable as well …_** that seems to be a Leitmotiv for Russian warfare > [@Tatterdemalion](#): > > I thought it was the blue wire? its the red wire and the blue pill … ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2023, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4950 "2023-07-01T11:07:00Z")
I know you were all very concerned, [but apparently it’s business as usual for Wagner in recruiting fighters.](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66060392) ---
**Author:** ![Mops](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mops/32/16494_2.png) [@Mops](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mops)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2023, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4951 "2023-07-01T12:01:01Z")
I have listened to an interview with an Africa expert on German radio recently, and he said the Wagner group is needed by Russia because Wagner are entrenched in Mali and the Central African Republic with their deal of propping up the two governments and minerals in return. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2023, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4952 "2023-07-01T17:04:19Z")
That Ukrainian position didn’t last long. The troops crossed the river last week. CNN live feed > [@](#): > > **On the front lines:** Russia [killed at least 30 Ukrainian soldiers](https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-07-01-23/h_3d7ac807b41a5b8d59c8710239c59335) with missile strikes and has [eliminated a Ukrainian foothold](https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-07-01-23/h_fd2460fd7b23f4a6b7ae2d34ae679f07) along the Dnipro River in southern Ukraine, a Russian-appointed leader said ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2023, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4953 "2023-07-01T18:52:34Z")
I don’t know that I’d take the Russians’ word for that. They did hit the position with a missile - there’s video of the strike floating around. But I’ve seen no corroborating evidence that the Ukrainian position has been eliminated. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2023, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4954 "2023-07-01T20:16:52Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > … I’ve seen no corroborating evidence … Who is going to confirm it? The Ukrainians are not interested in revealing the extent of their losses, and may prefer not to under-report them at this time (surprise the Russ with how weak they are not), and most of the rest of the world is not interested in bollixing up Ukraine’s strategies. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2023, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4955 "2023-07-01T21:07:31Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Who is going to confirm it? Russians posting triumphal videos of themselves occupying the contested position on social media, same as the way we’ve been confirming everything else about this war. ---
**Author:** ![Kelevra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/97f17d/32.png) [@Kelevra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kelevra)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2023, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4956 "2023-07-02T13:14:58Z")
looks like some of the russian forces have been issued some really old rifles. I figured high tech weapons would be limited but AK’s are cheap to make and plentiful around the world. > also it looks like the elimination of the Ukrainian forces at the Antonovsky bridge is not true. > ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2023, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4957 "2023-07-03T22:58:31Z")
Any military historians want to give an estimate for how old those rifles would be? Also, the two old rifles shown appear to be different models-- Would they use the same ammunition as each other, and/or as modern weapons? Russian logistics are strained enough without having to supply several different sizes of ammo. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2023, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4958 "2023-07-03T23:14:30Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Would they use the same ammunition as each other, and/or as modern weapons? No and sorta. The bolt action is a [Mosin-Nagant](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosin%E2%80%93Nagant). The other weapon looks like an [RPK](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPK), which is an old model but still used by Russian Police. It fires the same round as the AK47, which **isn’t** the same round as the modern AK74M. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2023, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4959 "2023-07-03T23:14:36Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Any military historians want to give an estimate for how old those rifles would be? Old. [Mosin-Nagant](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosin%E2%80%93Nagant), the Russian equivalent to the Garand. They were produced into the early 1970’s in Russia and are still in some limited use as sniper rifles, including by [Ukraine](https://twitter.com/WeaponsWarfare/status/1651763364505305091). ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2023, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4960 "2023-07-03T23:15:30Z")
Russian equivalent to the Lee-Enfield, maybe. The Garand is semi-auto. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2023, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4961 "2023-07-03T23:17:23Z")
Mosin–Nagant rifle entered service in 1891. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2023, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4962 "2023-07-03T23:17:56Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Russian equivalent to the Lee-Enfield, maybe. The Garand is semi-auto That’s fair. I was thinking more in terms of a historical cognate than a technical one. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2023, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/4963 "2023-07-03T23:50:13Z")
I think the point was that it was the primary infantry rifle of the Red Army during WWII. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=242) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=244)