# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 247
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2023, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5024 "2023-07-09T12:14:05Z")
Thanks What Exit?. I opened the wrong Tab before posting. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2023, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5025 "2023-07-10T01:44:56Z")
Up to date summary of equipment supplied to Ukraine from the US. Staggering amounts. PDF - 3 pages. > **[UKRAINE-FACT-SHEET.PDF](https://media.defense.gov/2023/Jul/07/2003255319/-1/-1/1/UKRAINE-FACT-SHEET.PDF)** > > 93.58 KB ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2023, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5026 "2023-07-10T02:55:03Z")
> [@smithsb](#): > > Staggering amounts. I have heard that Russia is still kind of a large country that is not easily cowed. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2023, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5027 "2023-07-10T03:42:33Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > I have heard that Russia is still kind of a large country that is not easily cowed. Except for those who surrendered or left the country. Some of them understand the process. 1. Canon fodder 2. ? 3. Profit ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2023, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5028 "2023-07-10T04:25:53Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Canon fodder I Thought that was Catholics? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2023, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5029 "2023-07-10T04:30:23Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > I Thought that was Catholics? Cannons with shorter barrels. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2023, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5030 "2023-07-10T11:19:17Z")
Strangeness continues: > [@](#): > > Wagner private military company chief Yevgeny Prigozhin met with Russian President Vladimir Putin in the Kremlin after his short-lived mutiny at the end of June, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Monday. > > Putin held a meeting with more than 30 military commanders on June 29, and Prigozhin also attended, said Peskov during his daily call with the media. > **[July 10, 2023 - Russia-Ukraine news](https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-07-10-23/index.html)** > > NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg said Monday that Turkey has agreed to back Sweden's bid to join the military alliance — a major development on the eve of the NATO summit in Vilnius, Lithuania. I guess Prigozhin could have been brought to the meeting in chains or a gimp suit. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2023, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5031 "2023-07-10T13:29:04Z")
It’s not cheap to defend the world. 😉 It’s a good thing NATO woke up and increased spending in 2014. Link [NATO will boost defense spending to help back Ukraine but the math is tricky. Just ask Luxembourg | AP News](https://apnews.com/article/nato-luxembourg-defense-spending-military-budgets-255795eaf8fddff9a05e7b25b678bdbb) > [@](#): > > Under a pledge made in 2014, after [Russia annexed Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula](https://apnews.com/general-news-bfd557fd6eb1451b9c669b0fc5d0f459), NATO allies agreed to halt the spending cuts they made in calmer times after the [Cold War](https://www.apnews.com/hub/cold-war) ended, boost their national military budgets and move toward [spending 2% of GDP on defense by 2024](https://apnews.com/article/estonia-europe-canada-france-gross-domestic-product-d6592c8267efdac36d66651d13347833). > > With that target date closing in, and the [biggest land war in Europe in decades](https://apnews.com/hub/russia-ukraine) ravaging Ukraine, U.S. President Joe Biden and his NATO counterparts will commit to a new spending goal at their [two-day summit in the Lithuanian capital](https://apnews.com/article/nato-russia-military-plans-ukraine-war-70b7eb3d6b5cb9c9cb90c445a0bf1548) Vilnius starting on Tuesday. > [@](#): > > In an [abrupt about-face](https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-politics-germany-government-olaf-scholz-44dca48439255f9bc0722c6cd7d157bf) last year after Russia invaded Ukraine, Chancellor Olaf Scholz announced that his government would spend an additional 100 billion euros ($109 billion) on defense, including on the purchase of high-end U.S.-made F-35 fighter jets. > > But under NATO’s spending requirements, little if any of that money can yet count toward its 2% target. Equipment orders aren’t enough. Only when contractors are finally paid can the money be added up. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2023, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5032 "2023-07-10T14:09:43Z")
Estimated Russian dead has reached 50,000. Link [New data shows how many Russian soldiers have died in Ukraine | AP News](https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-military-deaths-facd75c2311ed7be660342698cf6a409) > [@](#): > > Despite such challenges, Mediazona and the BBC’s Russian Service, working with a network of volunteers, have used social media postings and photographs of cemeteries across Russia to build a database of confirmed war deaths. As of July 7, they had identified 27,423 dead Russian soldiers. > > “These are only soldiers who we know by name, and their deaths in each case are verified by multiple sources,” said Dmitry Treshchanin, an editor at Mediazona who helped oversee the investigation. “The estimate we did with Meduza allows us to see the ‘hidden’ deaths, deaths the Russian government is so obsessively and unsuccessfully trying to hide.” > To come up with a more comprehensive tally, journalists from Mediazona and Meduza obtained records of inheritance cases filed with the Russian authorities. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2023, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5034 "2023-07-10T16:14:13Z")
This struck me as a fairly balanced analysis of six possible ways the conflict might end. [Trapped in Ukraine with No Victory: Putin Opened Pandora’s Box (msn.com)](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/trapped-in-ukraine-with-no-victory-putin-opened-pandora-s-box/ar-AA1dFw6K?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=7e6ee987adb44bd18addaa1c3f71a842&ei=13) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2023, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5035 "2023-07-10T22:34:30Z")
[Russian Submarine commander shot dead](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-submarine-commander-shot-dead/ar-AA1dGCL7?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=8684b2ebbfe24e9289a9e645441fcc3e&ei=40) > Some reports suggest that his submarine might have been responsible for a missile attack on Vinnytsia on July 14, 2022, which resulted in the deaths of 27 people, including three children. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2023, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5036 "2023-07-10T23:40:46Z")
Since Zelenskyy met Erdogan this weekend Turkey has: a) withdrawn it’s opposition to Sweden’s accession to NATO. b) announced it would protect Ukrainian gain shipments in the Black Sea for two more years, regardless of Russia’s position on the agreement. c) released Asof fighters back to Ukraine against the wishes of Russia. d) announced the opening of a military drone factory in Ukraine. That was one very successful diplomatic visit. Russian TV tonight has been demonising Turkey and Erdogan. ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2023, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5037 "2023-07-10T23:45:50Z")
I think Türkiye was told “if you ever want to join the EU, you drop this NOW”. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2023, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5038 "2023-07-11T00:04:48Z")
> [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](#): > > b) announced it would protect Ukrainian gain shipments in the Black Sea for two more years, regardless of Russia’s position on the agreement. Do you have a source on this? I’ve speculation to that effect, and it wouldn’t shock me, but to my knowledge there’s nothing official at this time. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2023, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5039 "2023-07-11T00:32:17Z")
> [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](#): > > b) announced it would protect Ukrainian gain shipments in the Black Sea for two more years, regardless of Russia’s position on the agreement. What exactly would this mean? If Russia attacks a grain ship, Turkey will attack the attackers? That could be one Hell of an escalation. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2023, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5040 "2023-07-11T01:34:35Z")
Ukraine is borrowing a trick from Russia and using their (possibly copious) stockpile of outdated heavy air defense missiles as long range ballistic missiles. > Russian forces for a year now have been firing newer S-300 surface-to-air missiles at Ukrainian cities. In principle, there’s not a lot of difference between a surface-to-air missile and a surface-to-surface missile. And there are qualities of the S-200 that lend the SAM to the ground-attack role. > **[Ukraine’s Newest Deep-Strike Missile Is An Ex-Soviet Antique—With a Few Tweaks](https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/07/10/ukraines-newest-deep-strike-missile-is-an-ex-soviet-antique-with-a-few-tweaks/?sh=5d1169a51104)** > > It’s possible the Ukrainian air force is using obsolete S-200 surface-to-air missile systems as ground-attack weapons. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2023, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5041 "2023-07-11T02:27:15Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > What exactly would this mean? If Russia attacks a grain ship, Turkey will attack the attackers? That could be one Hell of an escalation. Turkey controls the entrance to the Black Sea. If the pipelines in the region are cutoff that leaves tankers. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2023, 7:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5042 "2023-07-11T07:57:40Z")
> [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](#): > > Since Zelenskyy met Erdogan this weekend Turkey has: > > a) withdrawn it’s opposition to Sweden’s accession to NATO. > b) announced it would protect Ukrainian gain shipments in the Black Sea for two more years, regardless of Russia’s position on the agreement. > c) released Asof fighters back to Ukraine against the wishes of Russia. > d) announced the opening of a military drone factory in Ukraine. > > That was one very successful diplomatic visit. Zelenskyy is one hell of a diplomat. Also, I’m wondering if on some of these diplomat missions some sort of very convincing intelligence is being shared. > [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](#): > > Russian TV tonight has been demonising Turkey and Erdogan. Of course they are. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2023, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5043 "2023-07-11T11:10:13Z")
What does Erdogan get for these bold statements? There’s always a price. Two smaller articles: [an opinion piece on Wagner and Putin](https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2023/7/9/there-are-no-optimistic-scenarios-for-the-kremlin), and [Australia is sending what looks like a pretty badass surveillance plane](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/7/11/australia-to-deploy-surveillance-aircraft-to-assist-ukraine) to help Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2023, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5044 "2023-07-11T12:15:25Z")
France to send long-range missiles, similar to UK’s Storm Shadow, to Ukraine: > [@](#): > > The French version, known as SCALP, has a range of about 250 km (155 miles). Macron said the delivery would adhere to France’s policy of assisting Ukraine to defend its territory, implying that Paris had received assurances from Kyiv that the missiles would not be fired into Russia. [France to supply Ukraine with long-range cruise missiles | Reuters](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/france-send-long-range-missiles-ukraine-macron-2023-07-11/#:~:text=The%20French%20version%2C%20known%20as,not%20be%20fired%20into%20Russia). Another Russian general reportedly killed: > [@](#): > > A top Russian general has been killed in the war in Ukraine, according to an advisor to the mayor of Mariupol. > > Lieutenant General Oleg Tsokov was reportedly killed near the Russian-controlled port city of Berdyansk in Ukraine’s Zaporizhzhia region, Petr Andryushchenko wrote on his Telegram channel on Tuesday. > **[Russian Lt. General Oleg Tsokov killed in Ukraine—Reports](https://www.newsweek.com/russian-general-commander-oleg-tsokov-killed-ukraine-berdyansk-1812149)** > > The high-ranking commander reportedly died near the Russian-controlled port city of Berdyansk in Ukraine's Zaporizhzhia region. > **[List of Russian generals killed during the Russian invasion of Ukraine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_generals_killed_during_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine)** > > A number of Russian general officers\[a\] have been killed during the Russian invasion of Ukraine. As of 28 November 2023, Ukrainian sources claimed that 16 Russian generals and 1 admiral had been killed during the invasion, while Russian sources have confirmed 7 deaths. Although seven of the Ukrainian claims were rebutted, the loss of even two general officers is rare. The scale of these losses is unprecedented since World War II. This has been attributed to Russian senior commanders goin Russi... [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=246) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=248)