# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 256
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2023, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5205 "2023-07-21T14:26:09Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > indicted war criminal Igor “Strelkov” Girkin Not just indicted. Convicted in absentia at the ICC for the downing of MH17, sentenced to life in prison. He may now be wishing he’d opted for the Dutch prison cell rather than the Russian one. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2023, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5206 "2023-07-21T14:28:30Z")
I wonder if his cell will have a nice window. His cell on the 25th floor. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2023, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5207 "2023-07-21T14:42:33Z")
Caged Girkin, with added “Yup, that’s me” meme: > ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2023, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5208 "2023-07-21T15:13:45Z")
Sappers are crucial for the counter offensive. Without them Ukraine can’t advance on the battlefield. Guardian live feed > [@](#): > > **Ukrainian troops have been on exercises in Scotland learning how to disarm and defuse Russian bombs, booby traps and mines.** > > Royal Navy divers, bomb disposal specialists and mine warfare experts have been training their Ukrainian counterparts on finding and neutralising explosive devices in the north-west Highlands in what was reported as exercises which took place over the last couple of weeks. > > Lt Ali Aindow, the officer in charge of Delta Diving Unit 1, said: > > > It’s been great to be working with our close allies and partners again. We have been able to reinforce relationships and cohere into a single, multi-national force able to find and destroy underwater or maritime threats for the task group commander. > > > > The Ukrainian Navy divers have been great, it’s been a brilliant opportunity to share experience and learn techniques from each other. The Ukrainians are really focused and their enthusiasm for the training has been amazing. > **[Meet Ukraine's "sappers," working to clear ground retaken from Russian troops...](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-ukraine-war-land-mines-sappers-working-to-clear-reclaimed-ground/)** > > Thousands of deadly traps lay in wait for Ukrainian troops moving in to reclaim ground from Russia. Meet the "sappers" who go in first to clear a path. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2023, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5209 "2023-07-21T15:15:24Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > The Ukrainians are really focused and their enthusiasm for the training has been amazing. Not quite as amazing when one considers it’s literally life or death for them, their families, and their country. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2023, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5210 "2023-07-21T15:16:46Z")
The teachers never hear the students whine, _why do I need to know this?_ I’d be highly motivated to learn too. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2023, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5211 "2023-07-21T15:51:04Z")
Secretary of State Blinken applies the burn: > ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2023, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5212 "2023-07-21T17:09:09Z")
So what happens to de-fused mines? Are they stored away to be used later by the Ukrainians? Or are they not salvageable and destroyed/disposed of? ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2023, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5213 "2023-07-21T21:23:14Z")
Anti-tank mines have a considerable explosive charge. We (US) used over one million mines at a single Iraqi storage site (objective Arlington) as **donor charges** to destroy artillery projectiles, missiles, bombs, RPGs, etc… Another use is as a **second or third layer** below the top anti-tank mine with a good fuze. The double/triple charge would ensure the destruction of an enemy vehicle. Useable mines with new or recovered fuzes could **be employed elsewhere** such as the border of Belarus. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2023, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5214 "2023-07-21T23:03:07Z")
cluster munition finally made it to the front [https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/154roid/ua\_army\_employs\_he\_and\_cluster\_shells\_versus/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/154roid/ua_army_employs_he_and_cluster_shells_versus/) ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2023, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5215 "2023-07-22T03:39:04Z")
There is good reason we call him “A. Blinken”. _say it out loud_ ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2023, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5216 "2023-07-22T03:41:59Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > say it out loud Missing the Abe Lincoln connection. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2023, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5217 "2023-07-22T10:48:34Z")
Honest Abe was known to have some wit. Although I’m not entirely sold on the comparison either. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2023, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5218 "2023-07-22T13:39:20Z")
[Ukraine allegedly used cluster munitions on a Russian village.](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/7/22/ukraine-hit-russian-village-with-cluster-munitions-governor) Disappointing if it’s true. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2023, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5219 "2023-07-22T13:47:02Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Disappointing if it’s true. Alleged by a Russian so it literally counts for nothing. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2023, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5220 "2023-07-22T13:50:13Z")
The tweet said the cluster munition was from an MLRS. The US has not supplied any MLRS ammo with cluster munition warheads. I wouldn’t put much stock in the Russian Governor’s statement. Note that cluster munitions have independant multiple bomblets or grenades; each with its own fuzing and explosive charge. A HIMARS round with a billion bb warhead is a unitary fragmentation warhead. (Not that the distinction is important to someone targeted by either). ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2023, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5221 "2023-07-22T14:26:36Z")
The train service is temporarily halted. There is another ammo depot up in smoke. (The headline says fuel depot and the article says ammunition depot.) > **[Crimea bridge closed after fuel depot hit - Russia](https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-66276788)** > > Russian-installed authorities halt railway services in Crimea and say Ukraine was behind a drone strike. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2023, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5222 "2023-07-22T17:30:41Z")
So it appears that Russia continues to use it’s limited ammunition to try to terrorize civilian populations, while Ukraine is using it’s limited ammunition to destroy military targets that harm Russia’s war effort. Generally in the past, terror tactics against civilian populations have not been incredibly successful strategically. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2023, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5223 "2023-07-22T17:46:31Z")
Could their timing be any worse? A bit tone deaf huh? Russia just cut off grain to undeveloped countries. But, the hungry _can_ watch Russians dance. The Guardian feed > [@](#): > > **Moscow’s Bolshoi Ballet, grounded by Covid-19 and then shunned in the west since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, will return to international touring next week** for the first time since 2020 with a trip to Beijing. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2023, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5224 "2023-07-22T19:17:01Z")
> [@Hypno-Toad](#): > > So what happens to de-fused mines? Are they stored away to be used later by the Ukrainians? Or are they not salvageable and destroyed/disposed of? I imagine it depends on just how much of a hurry you are to deal with the mine. When you’re clearing the first path to (hopefully) break through the enemy line, you want to get rid of them as quickly as possible, and the quickest way to get rid of a mine is usually to detonate it in place. On the other hand, once the front has shifted past and you have control of the territory the mines are in, you can take your time to salvage them intact (or intact-ish) for reuse. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=255) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=257)