# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 258
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2023, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5245 "2023-07-24T23:46:18Z")
A couple more dead higher-ups in the news. One seems legit - long term cancer. The other may be part of a long line of suspicious deaths. “” According to Russian state media, Cherepennikov died of a heart attack - a conclusion that was reportedly arrived at without a post-mortem[examination](https://knewz.com/sarah-everard-death-cause/)." In the wake of his death, a friend stepped forward claiming that they do not believe that cardiac arrest was the cause of the multimillionaire’s death. > **[2 in 2 Days: More Putin Allies Drop Dead in Latest in Mounting List of...](https://knewz.com/2-in-2-days-more-putin-allies-drop-dead-in-latest-in-mounting-list-of-suspicious-mysterious-deaths/)** > > Two of Vladimir Putin’s mega-rich allies have been found dead adding to a string of mysterious deaths in his circle " Speculations of foul play are rampant with some suggesting that the Kremlin may also have a hand in them. So far at least 39 people including oligarchs and scientists have died in questionable circumstances and some feel that this is a testimony to the shadowy inclinations of the [Russian government](https://knewz.com/russia-travel-passport-putin-ukraine/)." ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2023, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5246 "2023-07-25T03:47:33Z")
A fascinating read on the relationship between Russia/Putin and Wagner: Has Russia contained the Prigozhin threat? [Its long history of managing violent mercenaries suggests so](https://theconversation.com/has-russia-contained-the-prigozhin-threat-its-long-history-of-managing-violent-mercenaries-suggests-so-210131). > The Prigozhin rebellion, however, showed how risky this tactic is when the mercenaries are deployed next door, in [Russia’s war against Ukraine](https://www.mup.com.au/books/russias-war-against-ukraine-paperback-softback). Russia had veered back to paramilitarism – but of a new type, driven by modern-day entrepreneurs of violence rather than the violent entrepreneurs of the 1990s. > > A month later, however, it appears this was only temporary. Putin’s regime is in the process of containing the threat. And it uses tactics it has employed before: dosage, public shaming, seizure of assets, the deployment of dangerous mercenaries away from home. > > This tactic might work again. One month on, it is still too early to predict the outcome, but it certainly appears that expectations for Russia’s dissolution or the [collapse](https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/26/politics/wagner-putin-us-ukraine-analysis/index.html) of Putin’s regime were premature. > > Putin might yet fail in reasserting his authority, but at the moment there is little evidence that he is. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2023, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5247 "2023-07-25T23:50:05Z")
there seems to be some kind of breakthrough for the UKR in the south of Bakhmut … unfortunately twixxer sux and sends me straight to a sign in page - so I cant really read it … [![](https://cdn.masto.host/swisssocial/cache/media_attachments/files/110/774/807/507/787/677/original/559d420f115bf023.png) ](https://cdn.masto.host/swisssocial/cache/media_attachments/files/110/774/807/507/787/677/original/559d420f115bf023.png) … regurgating stuff from reddit (practical impact to be seen over the next few days- but they seem to be able to build momentum) ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2023, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5248 "2023-07-26T00:07:49Z")
> [@Al128](#): > > there seems to be some kind of breakthrough for the UKR in the south of Bakhmut … Basic summary: [https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1683955853420793856](https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1683955853420793856) > [@Al128](#): > > unfortunately twixxer sux and sends me straight to a sign in page - so I cant really read it … Use Nitter. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2023, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5249 "2023-07-26T00:41:06Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Use Nitter. What’s Nitter? ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2023, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5250 "2023-07-26T00:46:46Z")
Alternative Twitter front-end. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2023, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5251 "2023-07-26T01:24:44Z")
Latest US Aid Package 25 July 2023, ~$400 million. This is a drawdown of existing stocks available for immediate delivery. The capabilities in this package include: 1. ``` Additional munitions for Patriot air defense systems and National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile Systems (NASAMS); ``` 2. ``` Stinger anti-aircraft systems; ``` 3. ``` Additional ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS); ``` 4. ``` 155mm and 105mm artillery rounds; ``` 5. ``` 120mm and 60mm mortar rounds; ``` 6. ``` 32 Stryker Armored Personnel Carriers; ``` 7. ``` Tube-Launched, Optically-Tracked, Wire-Guided (TOW) missiles; ``` 8. ``` Javelin and other anti-armor systems and rockets; ``` 9. ``` Hornet Unmanned Aerial Systems; ``` 10. ``` Hydra-70 aircraft rockets; ``` 11. ``` Tactical air navigation systems; ``` 12. ``` Demolitions munitions for obstacle clearing; ``` 13. ``` Over 28 million rounds of small arms ammunition and grenades; ``` 14. ``` Night vision devices and thermal imagery systems; and ``` 15. ``` Spare parts, training munitions, and other field equipment. ``` > **[Biden Administration Announces Additional Security Assistance for Ukraine](https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3470064/biden-administration-announces-additional-security-assistance-for-ukraine/)** > > The Defense Department announced additional security assistance to meet Ukraine’s critical security and defense needs. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2023, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5252 "2023-07-26T15:50:52Z")
[The Russians Packed Hundreds Of Vehicles Into A Crimean Repair Depot. The Ukrainians Just Hit It With A Cruise Missile.](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-russians-packed-hundreds-of-vehicles-into-a-crimean-repair-depot-the-ukrainians-just-hit-it-with-a-cruise-missile/ar-AA1elKpR) > There’s a vehicle park, in Novostepne a mile south of Dzhankoi in Russian-occupied northern Crimea, where Russian forces fighting in southern Ukraine send their damaged vehicles for repair. > > On Monday, it exploded. According to Russian sources, a British-made Storm Shadow cruise missile, fired by a Ukrainian air force Sukhoi Su-24 bomber, was responsible for the blast. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2023, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5253 "2023-07-26T16:02:23Z")
From that article. > Either way, the Ukrainians win and the Russians lose. Ukraine’s cruise missiles are making it harder for Russia to keep its brigades in southern Ukraine fully equipped. The _Storm Shadow_ operational range: 550 km (300 nmi; 340 mi). So the range on these missiles is all of Crimea from over 100 miles from the border. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2023, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5254 "2023-07-26T16:16:25Z")
I’m glad Ukraine is able to make use of its air power. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2023, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5255 "2023-07-26T17:41:34Z")
I wonder if Russia will retaliate by striking an apartment building or school. They seem to have no strategy at all other than “try to terrorize civilians “ ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2023, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5256 "2023-07-26T17:54:15Z")
Has that _ever_ worked? ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2023, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5257 "2023-07-26T19:09:58Z")
Well, something like it worked in WWII. Of course it was in tandem with hitting military targets and overwhelming ground forces, something Russia seems to have forgotten about. I wonder how many extra rubles Putin has grabbed for himself after all these unlikely deaths? I just can’t see him letting all that cash and property leak thru his fingers. Last time I recall there were about 30 oligarchs that fell out windows. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2023, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5258 "2023-07-26T19:28:20Z")
It was done in WWII. I don’t think there’s any evidence it actually worked. And even then, the goal was to take out factories, and the workers in them, that were producing materials used by the military. Bombers often hit schools and churches and the like anyway, but that was just because back then, aiming bombs meant “try to get them somewhere in the same city”. ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2023, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5259 "2023-07-26T19:33:51Z")
Yeah, not exactly precision bombing back then. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2023, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5260 "2023-07-26T21:36:12Z")
I thought the reference was nukes on Japan. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2023, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5261 "2023-07-26T21:44:27Z")
Even there, the targets picked were cities that seemed relevant for the war effort. By contrast, Kyoto, with an abundance of culturally-relevant sites, was left untouched by both nukes and by conventional bombing. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2023, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5262 "2023-07-26T22:39:48Z")
Interesting: > **[Ukraine Situation Report: Main Thrust Of Counteroffensive Has Begun, Report...](https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraine-situation-report-main-thrust-of-counteroffensive-has-begun-report-states)** > > Pentagon officials told the New York Times that the full weight of the Ukrainian counteroffensive is now underway. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5263 "2023-07-27T01:22:06Z")
I guess they are done poking around, taking notes and finetuning their approaches - and of course softening the RU supply routes - word is of attacks with 100+ armed vehicles today in the south … other vids report of 1500 drones got send out to the front between y/d and today. I have the feeling we are going to see some deeper cuts and more kinetics into the RU defense lines … it’s gonna get pretty ugly, I am afraid … ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5264 "2023-07-27T01:23:01Z")
As long as the ugliness is mostly applied to the Russians I’m all in favor. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=257) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=259)