# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 261
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2023, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5305 "2023-07-30T21:26:06Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > I can’t see this happening without Putin’s knowledge and approval, and I doubt anyone would buy into any “this is all Belarus’s doing” figleaf, so why? Other than perhaps trying to distract the West with trouble in Poland, what’s the benefit for Putin? It seems to me that in this scenario, Belarus is the only one that really gets screwed over. Russia can say “nyah nyah, it wasn’t us, so sorry Luka, you’re on your own” and NATO can unleash its full might against Belarus while avoiding a direct conflict with Russia. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2023, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5306 "2023-07-30T21:30:08Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Waking up Muscovites at 1am with the message “You are not safe in your own bed until your country withdraws from Ukraine” is a _very_ useful message to send. “Good luck sleeping tomorrow night. We’ll be back.” Not to mention it is super hypocritical for Russia to complain about this. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2023, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5307 "2023-07-30T21:40:54Z")
As always in warfare, one’s complaints are aimed at two almost totally disjoint audiences with nearly diametrically opposed POVs: your home front and sympathizers vs. your oppositions’ home front and sympathizers. Putin complaining about attacks on Moscow play very well at home, in his allies countries, and not at all beyond that. Zelinskyy complaining about attacks on Kyiv play very well at home, in his allies countries, and not at all beyond that. We in the West all know the situation is not fully symmetrical. Russia is waging illegal aggressive war, while Ukraine is defending itself from an illegal aggressive war. But beyond that, the diplomacy and propaganda are necessarily mirror images seen in opposing mirrors. War is ever thus. ---
**Author:** ![SunUp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SunUp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SunUp)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2023, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5308 "2023-07-30T22:35:02Z")
The strike on Reni is interesting because, as near as looking at Google Maps can tell me, there is no direct rail connection between it and the rest of Ukraine - all rail from Reni goes through Moldova. So for Ukraine to get grain to Reni by land, not through Moldova, it would have to truck it there, load by load. Horrendously inefficient in terms of labor and fuel. But if moving grain through Moldova by rail is OK, could Ukraine use the Moldovan river ports upstream of Reni? They seem to have pretty good rail connections to the interior of Moldova, though I can’t see if they connect to Ukraine (especially Odessa). Of course, where does Transnistria figure in all of this? ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2023, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5309 "2023-07-31T00:02:52Z")
" Connections exist to [Ukraine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine) at [Kuchurhan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuchurhan,_Rozdilna_Raion), [Mohilyv-Podil’s’ky](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohilyv-Podil%27s%27ky), [Ocnița](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocni%C8%9Ba). The track between [Basarabeasca](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basarabeasca) and [Reni](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reni,_Ukraine) crosses the border back and forth. The Kuchurhan crossing as well as the [Tighina](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tighina)–[Tiraspol](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiraspol)–Kuchurhan segment are under the control of the [Transnistrian](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transnistrian) separatist authorities, the circulation of trains on the route depending on the level of political tensions between the separatists and the Government of Moldova." Apparently a fourth crossing near Odessa exists too. Two of the three main crossing are in separatists territory. Elsewhere in the reference there are problems with old infrastructure, old equipment, non-electrification, and it’s all single track. Going from Moldova/Ukraine requires a change of gauge at the border. > **[Transport in Moldova](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_in_Moldova)** > > In 1995, the main means of transportation in Moldova were railways (1,138 km or 707 mi) and a highway system (12,730 km or 7,910 mi overall, including 10,973 km or 6,818 mi of paved surfaces). The major railway junctions are Chișinău, Bender, Ungheni, Ocnița (Oknitsa, in Russian), Bălți, and Basarabeasca (Bessarabka, in Russian). Primary external rail links connect the republic's network with Odesa (in Ukraine) on the Black Sea and with the Romanian cities of Iași and Galați; they also lead north... ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2023, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5310 "2023-07-31T00:08:33Z")
Also on rail: "The study is part of the Solidarity Lanes action plan and suggests that European track gauge lines to Lviv and Chiṣinău would be the first step to improving connections between Poland and Ukraine, and between Romania and Moldova. “Extending the standard gauge of the [European railway network to Ukraine and Moldova](https://online.fliphtml5.com/ylfj/dctc/#p=21) will facilitate the movement of goods and services, helping the two countries to integrate more quickly into the EU market and accelerating Ukraine’s post-war recovery,” EIB Vice-President Teresa Czerwińska, who is responsible for bank’s operations in Ukraine and Moldova, said." > **[Study proposes European gauge lines to Ukraine and Moldova](https://www.railwaypro.com/wp/study-proposes-european-gauge-lines-to-ukraine-and-moldova/)** > > The European Commission and EIB published a study recommending that the European track gauge lines to Ukraine and Moldova should be deployed ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2023, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5311 "2023-07-31T00:56:45Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > but it really looked like they had to have come from inside Russia. Also, the timing was very odd. The ones we saw video of struck around 1am local. Why would Ukraine waste resources on a silly stunt like that? Why is someone recording 360 degrees in the city looking up. They are literally not looking at anything and are panning the sky’s as if they’re expecting something to happen. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2023, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5312 "2023-07-31T04:04:46Z")
Insane Russians in positions of power… Press person from Ministry of Foreign Affairs: [https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1685568476579024896](https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1685568476579024896) The nuclear saber-rattling of former Russian president Medvedev suggests the Ukrainian counteroffensive to evict the invading occupiers from their land is making progress: > [@](#): > > By repelling the collective enemy’s counteroffensive, our Armed Forces are defending Russian citizens and our land. It is quite clear to all decent people. > > Besides that, they are preventing global conflict. > Just imagine that the NATO-supported ukrobanderovtsy’s offensive turned out successful, and they took away a part of our land: then we would have to, following the President’s degree of 02.06.2020, use the nuclear weapon. > > There would simply be no other way out. > > That’s why our enemies must worship our warriors. They are keeping global nuclear fire from flaring up. > > Congratulations on Russia’s Navy Day! > > P.S. The unmanned underwater vehicle Poseidon sends its greetings and recommends the enemies of our country to pray for all the Russian marines’ health. [https://twitter.com/MedvedevRussiaE/status/1685573843094544384](https://twitter.com/MedvedevRussiaE/status/1685573843094544384) ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2023, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5313 "2023-07-31T05:04:05Z")
The war is certainly spreading. Link [The war is coming to Russia, Zelenskiy warns after latest drone attack | Ukraine | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/30/the-war-is-coming-to-russia-zelenskiy-warns-after-latest-drone-attack) > [@](#): > > Although Ukraine has not acknowledged the attacks, Zelenskiy said in his nightly video address: “Gradually, the war is returning to the territory of Russia – to its symbolic centres and military bases. This is an inevitable, natural and absolutely fair process.” > > A Ukrainian air force spokesman said the Russian people were seeing the consequences of Russia’s war in Ukraine. > > “All of the people who think the war ‘doesn’t concern them’ – it’s already touching them,” Yurii Ihnat said on Sunday. > > “There’s already a certain mood in Russia: that something is flying in, and loudly. There’s no discussion of peace or calm in the Russian interior any more. They got what they wanted.” ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2023, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5314 "2023-07-31T15:36:05Z")
What does “ukrobanderovtsy” mean? ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2023, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5315 "2023-07-31T15:40:01Z")
> **[Banderite](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banderite)** > > A Banderite or Banderovite\[a\] (Ukrainian: бандерівець, romanized: banderivets; Polish: Banderowiec; Russian: бандеровец, romanized: banderovets) was a member of OUN-B, a faction of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, nicknamed "Bandera's people". The term, used from late 1940 onward, derives from the name of Stepan Bandera (1909–1959), head of this faction of the OUN. Because of the brutality utilized by OUN-B members, the colloquial term Banderites quickly earned a neg In propaganda the... > The term _Banderite_ was also a key propaganda term for the post-war Soviet state and more recently for Russia as pejorative term and personal insult for Ukrainians. Itself the term is not an insult and also carries connotation of honoring the memory of [Stepan Bandera](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera) as a fighter for longtime dream of the Ukrainian statehood, particularly in the unofficial name for the Ukrainian city of Lviv as “Baderstadt”. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2023, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5316 "2023-07-31T16:11:16Z")
I wrote something on Bandera here: > [@Will Putin’s failure in Ukraine embolden other areas?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-putin-s-failure-in-ukraine-embolden-other-areas/962189/17): > > I’m going to come back to this, because an official Russian state information agency has published a new overview laying out the rationale for the attack on Ukraine and the objectives to be achieved. Direct quotes: “Ukraine must pay for its guilt towards Russia. It must be treated as an enemy, and therefore may develop only in dependency to Russia. No ‘Marshall plan’ may happen. No ‘neutrality’ either ideological or practical. … The history has proven: Ukraine may not exist as a national st… ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2023, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5317 "2023-07-31T16:11:33Z")
> **[Petrifying message warns Russians of exact date of devastating attack](https://metro.co.uk/2023/07/31/russians-warned-of-august-24-attack-on-moscow-in-ukraine-forces-video-19221380/)** > > The video was posted on Telegram with the caption: 'The year of retribution continues.' Here’s a [link to an MSN article](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russians-warned-of-devastating-attack-on-august-24-in-chilling-message/ar-AA1eABv0) as well. A Ukrainian boy weeps for his by a bombed-out house, as he holds a drawing of his family. He folds the drawing into a paper airplane, which turns into a drone, which turns into a squadron of drones. Red lines indicate the drones’ progress toward their target. The final red line leads to Moscow. Fade to black, sho graphic ‘August 24’. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2023, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5318 "2023-07-31T17:31:34Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > > [@eschereal](#): > > > > but it really looked like they had to have come from inside Russia. Also, the timing was very odd. The ones we saw video of struck around 1am local. Why would Ukraine waste resources on a silly stunt like that? > > Why is someone recording 360 degrees in the city looking up. They are literally not looking at anything and are panning the sky’s as if they’re expecting something to happen. Seems pretty obvious to me. The phone/camera operator heard something flying around, but could not see it. Nor was the noise directional enough they could aim their phone-camera accurately. So they just panned around hoping to get lucky. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2023, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5319 "2023-07-31T22:34:08Z")
first pics emerging of the attack on the bridge that connects UKR with the Krim-peninsula … (attack was 2-3 days ago) [https://nitter.net/NOELreports/status/1686001233876647936#m](https://nitter.net/NOELreports/status/1686001233876647936#m) ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2023, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5320 "2023-07-31T22:46:43Z")
The URL can be changed to Twitter (and #m removed) to allow embedding of tweets: > ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2023, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5321 "2023-07-31T23:20:53Z")
I read that this is a trailer for a film being released on August 24th. I’m quite confused. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2023, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5322 "2023-08-01T01:04:30Z")
I’ve noticed Kryvyi Rih seems to get targeted after successful Ukrainian attacks in Russia. This time it was drones attacking Moscow. It’s Putins way of personally hurting Volodymyr Zelenskiy. Hit his hometown. Or maybe Putin is just a psychopathic asshole. 😞 Guardian live feed > [@](#): > > A Russian missile attack on a residential building in the city of Kryvyi Rih killed six people and wounded 73, Ukrainian officials said on Monday, as the Kremlin played down Sunday’s drone attack on Moscow. > > Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, described the latest strike against Kryvyi Rih – the industrial city where he grew up and where his parents continue to live – as [an act of Russian terror](https://web.telegram.org/k/#@V_Zelenskiy_official). > > Four people were also killed and 17 wounded in a day of intense Russian bombardment on the southern frontline city of Kherson. Andriy Yermak, [the head of Zelenskiy’s office](https://www.theguardian.com/profile/andriy-yermak), said the attacks were on civilian neighbourhoods. > > Russia fired two ballistic missiles on Monday morning. One slammed into a residential building, completely destroying floors from the ninth to the fourth, and strewing debris. The dead included a mother and a daughter. Eight children were among the injured. > > A second missile hit university and administrative buildings. More than 350 rescuers dug victims out of the rubble and doused flames, as part of a residential block collapsed. “My condolences to all those who have lost their loved ones. We are trying to save as many people as possible,” [Zelenskiy wrote](https://web.telegram.org/k/#@V_Zelenskiy_official). ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2023, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5323 "2023-08-01T01:09:53Z")
When you’re a gangster, not a politician or statesman, everything is personal. Putin is a gangster. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2023, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5324 "2023-08-01T01:25:26Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Hit his hometown. Or maybe Putin is just a psychopathic asshole. why not both? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=260) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=262)