# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 262
**Author:** ![Digger11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@Digger11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Digger11)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2023, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5325 "2023-08-01T02:01:39Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > A Ukrainian boy weeps for his by a bombed-out house, as he holds a drawing of his family. He folds the drawing into a paper airplane, which turns into a drone, which turns into a squadron of drones. Red lines indicate the drones’ progress toward their target. The final red line leads to Moscow. Fade to black, sho graphic ‘August 24’. That reminds me of the 30-second bombs in _Starship Troopers_. For those who don’t know, they were a programmable type of bomb. They had a loudspeaker, and they would be programmed to say in the local language, “I’m a 30-second bomb. I’m a 30-second bomb. 30, 29, 28. . .” ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2023, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5326 "2023-08-01T02:13:01Z")
good context info: > the UKR does a formidable job of strangulating the russian’s supply chains ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2023, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5327 "2023-08-01T22:37:35Z")
I learned some history about Crimea. Good article about a complicated relationship between Ukraine and Russia. > **[The Crimean Peninsula is both a playground and a battleground, coveted by...](https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-crimea-peninsula-dff3484da824e11afc92c83ecf19f71b)** > > The Crimean Peninsula's balmy beaches have been vacation spots for Russian czars and Soviet general secretaries. > [@](#): > > Crimea’s unique position in the Black Sea makes it a strategically important asset for whoever controls it, and Russia has spent centuries fighting for it. > > Crimea was home to Turkic-speaking Tatars when the Russian empire first annexed it in the 18th century. It briefly regained independence as a Tatar republic two centuries later before becoming swallowed by the Soviet Union. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2023, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5328 "2023-08-01T23:06:35Z")
quite a worthwhile tweet - about the structure and location of russian defense lines in the south [https://twitter.com/Inkvisiit](https://twitter.com/Inkvisiit) [https://nitter.net/Inkvisiit/status/1655584386601951238#m](https://nitter.net/Inkvisiit/status/1655584386601951238#m) not the most-up-to-date info - but then again, defense lines don’t disappear overnight ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2023, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5329 "2023-08-02T07:28:51Z")
Perhaps more sanctions are needed against Iran? Building drones in Belarus will only prolong this war and increase civilian attacks in Ukraine. The drone factory inside Russia would be a legitimate military target. Assuming that Ukraine can reach it. Link [Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, August 1, 2023 | Institute for the Study of War](https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-august-1-2023) > [@](#): > > **Iran is pursuing the construction of drone factories in Belarus and Russia, which will help Russia acquire Iranian drones more readily and provide Iran with numerous economic and military benefits. (_NOTE: This text also appeared in the Critical Threats Project (CTP)’s August 1 Iran Update)_** Iranian Armed Forces General Staff Chief Major General Mohammad Bagheri called for greater defense industry cooperation between Iran and Belarus during a meeting with Belarusian Defense Minister Lieutenant General Viktor Khrenin in Tehran on August 1.[29] Iranian Defense and Armed Forces Logistics Minister Brigadier General Mohammad Reza Ashtiani signed a military cooperation agreement with Khrenin on July 31.[30] CTP assessed that Ashtiani and Khrenin may have discussed establishing Shahed kamikaze drone factories in Belarus to support the Russian invasion of Ukraine.[31] Ukraine claimed in May 2023 that Iranian engineers are exploring how to convert factories in Gomel, Belarus into drone production facilities.[32] **The Biden administration revealed in June that Iran is helping Russia build a drone manufacturing factory in Yelabuga, Tatarstan, Russia.** [33] Iran opened an Ababil-2 drone factory in Dushanbe, Tajikistan in May 2022. Bagheri notably attended the opening ceremony of this factory.[34] The production of Iranian drones in Belarus and Russia will benefit both Russia and Iran: ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2023, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5330 "2023-08-02T10:19:11Z")
This is tangential and should not be discussed but is still worth mentioning in this thread > **former president complains** > > “… [Trump also urged](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/7/31/2184292/-Trump-demands-rivals-quit-presidential-race-and-more-Biden-investigations) a halt to Ukrainian military aid until the White House cooperates with congressional investigations into Biden and his family.” In reality, it will probably amount to nothing. We can hope. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2023, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5331 "2023-08-02T13:46:51Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > The drone factory inside Russia would be a legitimate military target. A drone factory in Belarus is also a legit military target. Russia invaded Ukraine partially from Belarus territory. That’s an act of war on Belarus’ part. Everyone’s kind of pretending that Belarus and Ukraine are not at war, but that’s technically not true. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5332 "2023-08-03T09:36:40Z")
From the MOD… Mines hiding in fresh weeds and brush would be a soldiers worst nightmare. Its nasty stuff, and environmentally bad, but Agent Orange was a extremely effective herbicide. I rather risk exposure to a herbicide than get blown apart in a war. Die now or perhaps in 20 to 30 years. What a crazy choice. X post > [@](#): > > The **UK’s Ministry of Defence** has issued its daily public intelligence briefing on the war, and today it concerns Ukraine’s natural environment. It writes: > > > Undergrowth regrowing across the battlefields of southern Ukraine is likely one factor contributing to the generally slow progress of combat in the area. > > > > The predominately arable land in the combat zone has now been left fallow for 18 months, with the return of weeds and shrubs accelerating under the warm, damp summer conditions. > > > > The extra cover helps camouflage Russian defensive positions and makes defensive mine fields harder to clear. > > > > Although undergrowth can also provide cover for small stealthy infantry assaults, the net effect has been to make it harder for either side to make advances. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5333 "2023-08-03T13:01:02Z")
[Ukrainians in occupied territory are being forced to take on Russian citizenship.](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/ukrainians-forced-become-russian-citizens-us-backed-research-finds-rcna97908) I guess Putin is doing this as a way to show how “happy” the people in that area are to be under the “protection” of Russia. And if there are any troublemakers…well, Russian citizens are a Russian problem, aren’t they, and no one else’s business. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5334 "2023-08-03T19:30:04Z")
I wonder whether flamethrowers would be a good way to clear the weeds? Maybe set off the mines in the process? Maybe drop some good old napalm? ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5335 "2023-08-04T13:14:14Z")
Warship in Russian port looks a bit tired after being hit by Ukrainian naval drone: > > [![](https://www.ajot.com/images/uploads/article/679-map-med-black-sea.jpg) ](https://www.ajot.com/images/uploads/article/679-map-med-black-sea.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5336 "2023-08-04T13:33:24Z")
yes, seems a pretty intense night - and lots of egg-on-your-face for russia … another ship destroyed by a country “without navy”. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5337 "2023-08-04T13:36:03Z")
I wonder - why don’t they rig those drone-boats to release 1-2 torpedos? I assume that would be way more effective (energetically speaking) that exploding 500kg TNT next to a boat (not saying this is wrong, just not too efficient) any thoughts? ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5338 "2023-08-04T13:42:56Z")
A drone boat is cheaper to make than a torpedo, it basically is a torpepedo with more control. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5339 "2023-08-04T13:49:10Z")
I’m not sure that would be more effective in energy terms. The drone boats have a contact detonator on the front and then, presumably, shaped charge inside of them to focus the blast energy in one direction. So similar to a torpedo. I guess a drone boat could launch torpedoes that, due to their being underwater, would evade detection and surface fire that might otherwise destroy the drone on approach to the target. There are already submersible drones that are mostly underwater for this reason, with just the communication parts above water. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5340 "2023-08-04T13:50:48Z")
> **Summary** > > NATO Navy officials must be concerned to see a multi million dollar ship successfully attacked by a fairly inexpensive drone boat. > > Thankfully it was a Russian ship this time. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5342 "2023-08-04T13:58:16Z")
Off Topic and a strong potential Hijack. If you want to start a new thread on it, it would be interesting I believe. Hiding post under Detail spoiler. ---
**Author:** ![Baal\_Houtham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baal_houtham/32/13604_2.png) [@Baal\_Houtham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baal_Houtham)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5344 "2023-08-04T14:09:30Z")
> [@Al128](#): > > I wonder - why don’t they rig those drone-boats to release 1-2 torpedos? I’m no expert, but… torpedos are more complicated to build than drone boats, and adding a launch system would compound the difficulty. The payload would be much smaller, the drone slower, and the cost much greater. Torpedos do have a potential for greater destruction; the most effective explosions happen underwater, either under the keel or a short distance from the hull. [From Wikipedia:](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torpedo) “If the torpedo detonates at a distance from the ship, and especially under the keel, the change in water pressure causes the ship to resonate. This is frequently the most deadly type of explosion if it is strong enough. The whole ship is dangerously shaken and everything on board is tossed around. Engines rip from their beds, cables from their holders, etc. A badly shaken ship usually sinks quickly, with hundreds, or even thousands of small leaks all over the ship and no way to power the pumps. The crew fares no better, as the violent shaking tosses them around. This shaking is powerful enough to cause disabling injury to knees and other joints in the body, particularly if the affected person stands on surfaces connected directly to the hull (such as steel decks).” ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5345 "2023-08-04T14:26:40Z")
[Ukrainian resistance poisoned 17 Russian officers as they celebrated how great their military is, killing at least 2, official says](https://news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-resistance-poisoned-17-russian-133711549.html#:~:text=Ukrainian%20partisans%20used%20cyanide%20and,in%20serious%20condition%2C%20he%20said). > Ukrainian partisans used cyanide and pesticides during a Sunday Russian Navy Day event to poison the Russian military service members, killing two, [Petro Andriushchenko](https://t.me/andriyshTime/12182) said on [Telegram.](https://t.me/andriyshTime/12182) > > The other 15 were admitted to the hospital in serious condition, he said. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5346 "2023-08-04T15:06:35Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Warship in Russian port looks a bit tired The ship may be tired, but it’s not listless. 🤣 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=261) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=263)