# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2022, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/541 "2022-11-12T21:47:41Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Ultra-right-wing Russian nationalist Alexander Dugin, often referred to in the media as “Putin’s brain”, has criticized the surrender of Kherson and alluded to the disembowelling of Putin. Note this is the guy whose daughter got car bombed a couple of months ago, [likely by Ukraine([https://thehill.com/policy/international/3675156-us-officials-say-ukraine-was-behind-car-bomb-that-killed-daughter-of-russian-nationalist-nyt/](https://thehill.com/policy/international/3675156-us-officials-say-ukraine-was-behind-car-bomb-that-killed-daughter-of-russian-nationalist-nyt/))). So he may be strongly invested is seeing Ukraine punished. Still it is very surprising that he is capable of such open defiance. Putin’s hold must be weakening. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2022, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/542 "2022-11-12T21:52:43Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Their logic seems to be that the Nazis were Russia’s enemy and Russia defeated them, therefore Russia cannot be the Nazis. If Russia aren’t the Nazis, then the enemy of Russia must be the Nazis. Putin _is_ a fascist dictator. But not a Nazi. > [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I’d still say that the most strategically sound path forward would be to say that the Ukrainian mission is to give the Donbas and Crimea a fair and honest vote on secession. Here is the thing. Many folks there are indeed ethnic Russians. However, many know Russia is a corrupt shithole. I doubt all the ethnic Russians want to be part of Putin’s fascist Russia. Zelenskyy could likely make most of the populace happy by having them be part of Ukraine, but a large amount of self-government. ---
**Author:** ![Toxylon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f05b48/32.png) [@Toxylon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toxylon)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2022, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/543 "2022-11-12T21:55:00Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Putin’s hold must be weakening. Maybe soon it’s Putin’s hold weakening on Dugin’s collar, by an open high rise window. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2022, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/544 "2022-11-12T22:18:49Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > The government needs to think carefully about Donbas. It originally had a lot of separatists in 2014. The Russian population has probably increased significantly in the last 8 years. The separatist and Russian forces are dug in and it would require a lot of men and equipment to take full control of Donbas. You are assuming those “Russian separatists” are still “separatists”. A certain number of them would have fled the war zone. A certain number of them would have switched sides. Ancestry and language are not destiny - there are many people fighting for Ukraine whose first language is Russia, including the current president of Ukraine, Zelenskyy (he’s fully fluent in Ukrainian, but it was his second language). I think we need to be careful about making assumptions about anyone who survives this war. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2022, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/545 "2022-11-13T00:38:39Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I’m not sure its worth the cost to retake all of Donbas. Fine, just let BigGuy shove LittleGuy off some land because BigGuy is bigger and has more hurty things (that, apparently, are beyond BigGuy’s skill level, but they still hurt). We want Donbas back in UA’s hands because we do not want to set a precedent that it is possible to just go grab some (any) of someone else’s turf because you want it and you (sorta) can. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2022, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/546 "2022-11-13T01:20:14Z")
This is hilarious! 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 (At least, as a helicopter pilot I find it hilarious.) > ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2022, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/547 "2022-11-13T01:35:35Z")
> [@Chelonaut](#): > > From what I understand, “Lettuce” is currently the most scientific way to measure political timespans I don’t understand what this means. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2022, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/548 "2022-11-13T01:37:48Z")
Liz Truss lettuce: > **[Liz Truss lettuce](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liz_Truss_lettuce)** > > On 14 October 2022, the British tabloid newspaper the Daily Star began a livestream of an iceberg lettuce next to a framed photograph of Liz Truss, then recently appointed prime minister of the United Kingdom. This followed an opinion piece in The Economist that compared the brevity of Truss's premiership to the shelf life of a lettuce, with the October 2022 United Kingdom government crisis occurring just weeks into her tenure and leading many political commentators to opine that Truss's ... ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2022, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/549 "2022-11-13T01:52:34Z")
What about avocados? They look promising, until they suddenly rot. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2022, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/550 "2022-11-13T04:24:42Z")
Video of the Antonivka Road Bridge at Kherson showing the parts demolished by the Russians, as well as the effects of the earlier Ukrainian HIMARS strikes on it. The HIMARS was not completely successful in severing the connection, but, evidently, it was successful enough. > (Video quality better at source) ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2022, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/551 "2022-11-13T04:27:48Z")
The liberation of Kherson is such a big morale booster for Ukrainians. It’s wonderful to see smiling faces again What a feast. You can always eat well at Grandmother’s house. > ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2022, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/552 "2022-11-13T05:32:58Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > This is hilarious! 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 > > (At least, as a helicopter pilot I find it hilarious.) Apparently this is a Ukrainian helicopter that’s been sitting inoperable at that airfield since well before the war. When the Russians took the territory, they painted Z’s on it. Now it’s back in Ukrainian hands, but it’s still just an inoperable Mi-8. ---
**Author:** ![DETXL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/detxl/32/19366_2.png) [@DETXL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DETXL)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2022, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/553 "2022-11-13T13:10:31Z")
It is a gunship (an Mi-24; an Mi-24P and not a Hind-E, given the fixed cannon on the nose). They make occasional appearances (c.f. [this dramatic video](https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1583330108395638784) from a few weeks back) but Ukraine doesn’t have very many of those—[Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_of_the_Armed_Forces_of_Ukraine#Helicopters) isn’t totally clear and it’s a little bit of a word problem, but says they had 15 in flying condition in 2014, lost 6, planned to return 16 to service, and had 15 donated from the Czech Republic. I’m not sure if the fact that they’re even screwing around with it means they think it _might_ be gotten working or if it’s one of the known-inoperable ones but if it can be returned to service it’s a nice get for them. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2022, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/554 "2022-11-13T15:42:07Z")
Even if it’s inoperable now, well, unlike Russia, Ukraine has a supply of spare parts, and knows what to do with them. The captions said that the battery was stolen. If that’s all that’s wrong with it, well, batteries are easy to replace. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2022, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/555 "2022-11-13T15:53:09Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > The captions said that the battery was stolen. If that’s all that’s wrong with it, well, batteries are easy to replace. It was a joke/sketch. ‘Oh, the Russians stole the battery! We’ll just push-start it like a car!’ ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2022, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/556 "2022-11-13T15:53:23Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > You can’t kill a ton of people and have 8 years of occupation and then pretend any election would resemble “fair” in any sort of way. I recommend against pretending, and how to avoid pretending was part of the recommendation. ---
**Author:** ![txtumbleweed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/278dde/32.png) [@txtumbleweed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/txtumbleweed)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2022, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/557 "2022-11-13T16:31:51Z")
That’s the impression I got, too, that he was trying to hand prop it.😀 ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2022, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/558 "2022-11-13T16:39:35Z")
The Wagner Group executes a convict that joined them and then defected to Ukraine. The article suggests the convict/mercenary was returned to Russia in a POW exchange. > **[Russia reveals execution of convict using sledgehammer as he had surrendered...](https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-reveals-execution-convict-using-092735432.html)** > > Russian Telegram channels posted a video of the execution of Evgeniy Nuzhin, a former prisoner of the Ryazan Penal Colony-3 and a member of the Wagner Private Military Company, who surrendered to the Armed Forces of Ukraine after being sent to the... ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2022, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/559 "2022-11-13T19:31:13Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > It was a joke/sketch. ‘Oh, the Russians stole the battery! We’ll just push-start it like a car!’ Reminds me of an old Second City routine mocking the Sea-Sea-Sea-Pea wherein the person could not get his car to start, lifted the hood to find the caps taken off the battery, drinking straws sticking out of the holes, prompting him to curse, “_Uzbeks!_” ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2022, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/560 "2022-11-14T02:47:46Z")
I think of my own hometown and how thankful I am that the US hasn’t been invaded since 1812. My reaction wouldn’t be ang different. I’m too old to fight. I’d hide my family and wait it out just like these people. Cite [‘I can’t stop smiling’: residents welcome Ukrainian troops in the frontline town of Snihurivka | Ukraine | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/13/i-cant-stop-smiling-residents-welcome-ukrainian-troops-in-the-frontline-town-of-snihurivka) > [@](#): > > “I have a radio – a battery-powered one,” said Sasha, a slight man in his 60s, carefully stepping over a pile of sand in case the Russians had left mines below. “I knew [the Ukrainian army] was coming. We were just waiting.” > > “I can’t tell you how it felt seeing [Ukrainian troops]. We sat for eight months without electricity, without water,” said Olga Ivanovna, Sasha’s neighbour and friend. “We slept in our basements, fully clothed. Three months! Three months, we waited!” > > Residents said they had tried to keep up with the news by any means possible after their electricity was cut off and Russian soldiers went door to door confiscating phones. Some had generators and were able to catch Ukrainian TV; a few managed to keep their phones and would climb to the top of abandoned five-storey blocks of flats to catch some signal. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=29)