# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 287
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5830 "2023-09-13T23:22:25Z")
… to be predated by repairs on the dry-dock proper … it seems that this ship-overhaul-facility is out of commission for the forseeable future … another big kudos to the UKR for really leveraging their weaponry … outsmarting again and again the bully ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5831 "2023-09-14T02:08:01Z")
> [@Al128](#): > > it seems that this ship-overhaul-facility is out of commission for the forseeable future … Yes, that’s the biggest achievement in the attack. Denying Russia the use of repair facilities. I wonder how many portable docks they have in the Black Sea. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 9:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5832 "2023-09-14T09:59:27Z")
Good grief: > **[Rogue Russian pilot tried to shoot down RAF aircraft in 2022](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66798508)** > > The pilot fired two missiles - the first missed rather than malfunctioned, as was claimed at the time. > The Russian pilot released an air-to-air missile, which successfully launched but failed to lock on to its target, the BBC has been told. It was a miss, not a malfunction. > > Defence sources have told the BBC that a row then broke out between the two Russian pilots. > > The pilot of the second SU-27 did not think they had been given permission to fire. > > He is said to have sworn at his comrade, effectively asking him what he thought he was doing. > > Yet the first pilot still released another missile. > > We had been told that the second missile simply fell from the wing - suggesting the weapon either malfunctioned or that the launch was aborted. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5833 "2023-09-14T10:26:10Z")
More attacks in Crimea. I think its a smart strategy to focus on Crimea’s air defenses. It opens up a wide area for targeting. That bridge will come down eventually Guardian feed > [@](#): > > Ukraine claims to have destroyed a Russian air defence system near the town of **Yevpatoriya** in occupied **Crimea** in an overnight drone and missile attack which was conducted by the security service of [Ukraine](https://www.theguardian.com/world/ukraine) and the navy on Thursday morning. > > Reuters reports the claim was made to it by a Ukrainian intelligence source. > > Russia earlier said its air defences had shot down 11 attack drones overnight over Crimea, which [Russia](https://www.theguardian.com/world/russia) unilaterally declared it had annexed in 2014. > > Ukrainian sources on social media had been sharing an unverified clip of a large explosion purporting to be in the area. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5834 "2023-09-14T18:43:19Z")
this info just popped up … I’d like to hear more about it before taking it as truth > that seems related: > ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5835 "2023-09-14T19:10:18Z")
> . what they do NOT say is what happend to their ship! ahhhh … those russians … what are they? sinking ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5836 "2023-09-14T19:24:14Z")
> [@Al128](#): > > what they do NOT say is what happend to their ship “Drone was destroyed.” Well, duh, that’s what they do. Perhaps the brave Russian corvette _Samum_ destroyed the drone the same way you can attack a fist by striking it with a face? ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5837 "2023-09-14T20:01:02Z")
Can someone please put the numbers in context for me? How much damage has been done, vs how big the Russian fleet is? We’ve seen recently the attack on the dry dock which damaged a ship and a submarine, and the dock itself. And now this attack on a Russian corvette ship. In the Black Sea, ow many docks/ports/naval bases does Russia have? and how many ships in total? How much damage has been done to the Russian navy infrastructure, and will these recent attacks make a difference in Russia’s ability to fight from the sea? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5838 "2023-09-14T20:11:10Z")
According to Wikipedia: [Black Sea Fleet - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_Fleet) and [Sevastopol Shipyard - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sevastopol_Shipyard) There are 7 subs in the Black Sea Fleet, so 1 less means 6. There are 6 to 11 landing ships, so one less means 5-10. And most importantly, 3 drydocks at Sevastopol, meaning that there are probably only 2 functioning right now (assuming the other two were operational), which means 33% less maintenance and repairs (at a minimum) requiring drydocks in the area. That last part is very significant – in my time in the Navy, drydocks are CONSTANTLY refitting and repairing ships, and putting one out of service would mean several fewer ships going to sea each year. And that’s just one attack. This was a big deal for a single attack. There will almost certainly be many more such attacks as this, especially as Ukraine gets longer range missiles from the West. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5839 "2023-09-14T21:12:30Z")
yep … and they keep degrading their anti-air defenses as well - there were quite some reports of a number of those “400” AA destroyed tonight so - that might make it easier for future attacks ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5840 "2023-09-14T21:46:32Z")
Here’s a visual guide: > > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > There are 7 subs in the Black Sea Fleet, so 1 less means 6. One is in the Baltic and another in the Mediterannean. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5841 "2023-09-15T00:29:24Z")
Meanwhile, on the other side of UA, [Romania experiences overspray](https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/romania-drones-ukraine-russia-war-1.6966813) from the SMO. Government tells the people to remain calm, while also setting up shelters in border areas. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5842 "2023-09-15T11:23:20Z")
Important confirmation of the attacks on Russian Air Defense systems in Crimea. It’s steadily being dismantled. A lot of preparation went into locating and targeting each S-400 battery. I know tourist photos revealed one location for Ukraine. This is just hilarious. [Crimean tourists leak position of Russian air defense system near Yevpatoria](https://news.yahoo.com/crimean-tourists-leak-position-russian-132700673.html) Link [Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, September 14, 2023 | Institute for the Study of War](https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-september-14-2023) > [@](#): > > . **Ukrainian forces struck a Russian air defense system near occupied Yevpatoria, Crimea, on September 14, suggesting that there may be systemic tactical failures with Russian air defense systems in occupied Crimea.** The Department of Strategic Communications of the Ukrainian Armed Forces stated that Ukrainian forces struck the location of a Russian surface-to-air missile system near Yevpatoria (68km northwest of Sevastopol).[5] Ukrainian news outlet _Ukrainska Pravda_ reported that a source affiliated with the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) stated that the SBU and the Ukrainian Navy conducted a “unique special operation” that destroyed a Russian S-400 “Triumf” system near Yevpatoria.[6] Ukrainian forces reportedly struck the S-400 system’s radar and antennas with drones and struck the launch complexes with two Neptune cruise missiles.[7] The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) reported that Russian air defenses intercepted 11 Ukrainian drones over Crimea but did not mention any Ukrainian missile strikes.[8] Geolocated footage published on September 14 shows an explosion near Yevpatoria and subsequent smoke plumes in the area.[9] Additional geolocated footage shows that Russian forces had recently deployed an S-400 battery outside of Yevpatoria and that the explosion occurred in the same location where a Russian S-400 system had been deployed in August 2022.[10] The strike suggests that Russian forces were unprepared to intercept missiles with the system or were unable to do so. Ukrainian forces struck a Russian S-400 air defense system near Olenivka, Crimea (117km northwest of Sevastopol) on August 23, and the second Ukrainian strike on a significant Russian air defense system in recent weeks indicates that such tactical failures may reflect a wider systemic issue with Russian air defenses in occupied Crimea.[11] ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5843 "2023-09-15T11:37:14Z")
US ELINT is quite capable of locating S400 sites with targetable precision. Whether we’re sharing that data w UKR is unknown to me. The hard part is sneaking up on S400 sites. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5844 "2023-09-15T11:57:24Z")
I can’t recall General Miley stating the sharing of intelligence this plainly. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/KiWf6V9E6p0/maxresdefault.jpg "How the U.S. helps pierce the fog of war in Ukraine") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiWf6V9E6p0) ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5845 "2023-09-15T17:47:48Z")
Me either. That was informative. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5846 "2023-09-15T18:05:21Z")
I would hope the US is taking good notes. We’re seeing an entirely different style of war. The sea drones and extensive use of drone attacks throughout Ukraine will require significant changes in NATO training. I wouldn’t be surprised if Ukrainian drones eventually take out a slower Russian plane. They just keep improving. Yet we also see WWI trench warfare in the Ukrainian war. It’s such a contradiction. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5847 "2023-09-15T18:09:44Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Yet we also see WWI trench warfare in the Ukrainian war. It’s such a contradiction. Yes, it strikes me as odd. Is it that neither side has enough armoured vehicles to overrun the trenches? That the anti-tank weoponry has made tanks less effective? Why has trench warfare made a come-back here? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5848 "2023-09-15T18:14:06Z")
The General Milley report estimated Ukrainian losses at 200,000 and Russian at 300,000. That’s staggering for 18 months of war. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5849 "2023-09-15T18:44:23Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I wouldn’t be surprised if Ukrainian drones eventually take out a slower Russian plane. They almost took out a Russian helicopter recently: [https://twitter.com/bayraktar\_1love/status/1699450520748863582](https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1699450520748863582) Minefields are the biggest problem, as well as dragons teeth anti-tank obstacles, anti-tank ditches, and things like artillery, drones, anti-tank guided missiles, and helicopters. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=286) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=288)