# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 294
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2023, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5970 "2023-09-22T00:18:26Z")
The mention of Stryers and Marders in the same sentence like that has real cold war vibes to it. Like I’m playing Twilight 2000 with my high school friends back in the 80’s. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2023, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5971 "2023-09-22T03:41:28Z")
Traveled to Washington and got a T-shirt and 325 million. Not bad for a quick weekend trip. > **[Zelenskiy secures $325m in new US aid even as Republican support wanes](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/21/ukraine-russia-war-zelenskiy-biden-white-house-visit)** > > Ukraine president delivers upbeat message on war progress during second White House visit since Russian invasion ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2023, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5972 "2023-09-22T06:41:18Z")
> [@filmore](#): > > Why has the intel on Russia’s capabilities been so poor? The intelligence the _public_ has been receiving has been poor. We don’t know what intelligence governments have been receiving. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2023, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5973 "2023-09-22T12:03:20Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > The intelligence the _public_ has been receiving has been poor. We don’t know what intelligence governments have been receiving. Also, the Russian’s don’t necessarily want the West to have accurate information. Although this special military operation has shown that the Russian bear is more similar to Pooh than a grizzly, it is not a completely Keystone Kops operation. There are undoubtedly many competent or better people working there to advance the interests of their country. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2023, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5974 "2023-09-22T12:27:56Z")
Ukraine launched a missile attack against the Black Sea fleet headquarters in Sevastopol. The base was reportedly struck with several French Storm Shadow missiles, and was on fire. > **[Ukraine missile strike hits Russia's key navy base in Sevastopol, Crimea,...](https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/ukraine-russia-crimea-black-sea-fleet-missile-strike-sevastopol/)** > > The governor of Russian-occupied Sevastopol warned residents to avoid the area and said work continued to put out a fire at the headquarters of Russia's Black Sea fleet. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2023, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5975 "2023-09-22T14:15:23Z")
[Sleeper Cell of Russian Spies in Ukraine Smashed After Coded Messages Intercepted](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/sleeper-cell-of-russian-spies-in-ukraine-smashed-after-coded-messages-intercepted/ar-AA1h6IF8?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=93f6e97f9cdf4e73ac5350960dcf8618&ei=45#image=1) > [Knewz.com](http://Knewz.com) is reporting that the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) seized a four-member deep-cover team that had been activated to gather intelligence on Kyiv’s troop movements and weapons deliveries. … > > The operation to uncover the sleeper cell began when the SBU intercepted messages asking for updates from the spies. It seems to me that the British had a strategy for dealing with spies. Turn the spies into double-agents to pass misinformation to the Germans, or take them outside and shoot them. I haven’t heard of Ukraine executing anyone, but I do wonder how many spies they’ve turned. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2023, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5976 "2023-09-22T15:05:02Z")
It appears that Tucker Carlson is getting his own show on Russian state TV: > > > > Francis Scarr @francis\_scarr ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2023, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5977 "2023-09-22T15:11:39Z")
Could they mean he’ll be interviewed this weekend? I can’t see the screengrabs on this computer. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2023, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5978 "2023-09-22T15:21:59Z")
It looks like the title logo for a show. Russian state TV plays clips of Carlson a lot. He’s certainly been offered jobs on Russian state media: > [@](#): > > RT, the broadcaster formerly known as Russia Today, which is banned in dozens of countries, including the entire European Union, said on its English-language Twitter account Monday: “Hey @TuckerCarlson, you can always question more with @RT\_com.” > > … > > Vladimir Solovyov, the most prominent commentator on Russian state TV and a staunch pro-Kremlin propagandist, said… > > “We’ll happily offer you a job if you wish to carry on as a presenter and host! You are always welcome in Russia and Moscow, we wish you the best of luck.” > > Alongside the message on Telegram, Solovyov wrote in English: “Tucker, come join us. You don’t have to be afraid of taking the piss out of Biden here,” > **[Tucker Carlson is out at Fox News but welcome on Russian TV](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/tucker-carlson-offered-jobs-russian-state-tv-channels-putin-ukraine-rcna81281)** > > The ousted anchor was offered work by state-run news channels in Moscow that echo much of his conspiratorial rhetoric on the war in Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2023, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5979 "2023-09-22T16:46:44Z")
U.S. to provide some “attack 'ems” missiles to Ukraine: > **[Biden tells Zelenskyy U.S. will send Ukraine ATACMS long-range missiles](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-ukraine-war-atacms-biden-zelenskyy-long-range-missile-rcna116876)** > > Some in Washington had resisted supplying the weapons system, known as “attack-ems,” out of fear that it would widen the war with Russia. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2023, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5980 "2023-09-22T17:11:49Z")
There are reports that high-ranking officers were meeting when the Black Sea Fleet HQ in Sevastopol was struck. There are rumors that the commander of the Black Sea Fleet, Admiral Sokolov, was killed. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2023, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5981 "2023-09-22T17:17:49Z")
If so, that seems unlikely to be a lucky coincidence. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2023, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5982 "2023-09-22T18:08:35Z")
Video of strike: > ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2023, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5983 "2023-09-22T19:03:11Z")
Unless Storm Shadow/SCALP can cause explosions prior to arriving at their target (which, to be clear, would be an excellent capability in a missile), it’s pretty clear that multiple missiles got through to the target. The performance of the S-400 air defense wunderwaffe these past couple weeks might be causing a little buyer’s remorse in purchasers of the export version. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2023, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5984 "2023-09-22T19:21:31Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > The performance of the S-400 air defense wunderwaffe these past couple weeks Don’t forget that the Ukrainians managed to knock some of those out in that general area. > **[Russia Had Five S-400 Air-Defense Batteries In Crimea. In Three Weeks,...](https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/09/14/russia-had-five-s-400-air-defense-batteries-in-crimea-in-three-weeks-ukraine-blew-up-two/)** > > Russia deployed five batteries of its best S-400 surface-to-air missiles to occupied Crimea. In less than a month, the Ukrainian navy has destroyed two. Of course that just transfers the concern from “S-400 can’t protect critical targets” to “S-400 can’t protect themselves”. Especially since the current theory is that those batteries got hit by ancient Neptun cruise missiles. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2023, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5985 "2023-09-22T19:49:34Z")
Zelenskiy received a much warmer welcome in Canada. He collected more money for the war effort. Link [Zelenskiy urges Canada to stay with Ukraine as he speaks to parliament | Volodymyr Zelenskiy | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/22/zelenskiy-trudeau-canada-parliament-ukraine-war-russia) > [@](#): > > He also thanked thanked Canadians for financial support and for making Ukrainians fleeing war feel at home in [Canada](https://www.theguardian.com/world/canada). > > Zelenskiy repeatedly thanked Canada and received a number of standing ovations from dignitaries and parliamentarians. > > “I have a lot of warm words and thanks from [Ukraine](https://www.theguardian.com/world/ukraine) to you,” Zelenskiy said in Justin Trudeau’s office before his speech. “You have helped us on the battlefield, financially and with humanitarian aid … Stay with us to our victory.” > > The Canadian prime minister called the visit an opportunity to show Zelenskyy “how strongly and unequivocally we stand with Ukraine” and announced an additional C$650m million (US$482m) over three years for 50 armored vehicles that will be built in Canada. ---
**Author:** ![Pork\_Rind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pork_rind/32/111_2.png) [@Pork\_Rind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pork_Rind)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2023, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5986 "2023-09-22T19:53:52Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > Unless Storm Shadow/SCALP can cause explosions prior to arriving at their target (which, to be clear, would be an excellent capability in a missile), it’s pretty clear that multiple missiles got through to the target Inverse causality missiles would be great! You’d only bother to fire them after you found out they blew up your target. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2023, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5987 "2023-09-22T20:14:50Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > The performance of the S-400 air defense wunderwaffe these past couple weeks might be causing a little buyer’s remorse in purchasers of the export version. _But through extensive research into the system’s development and use, bolstered by expert assessments from a variety of nations, there are two seemingly counter-intuitive conclusions about the S-400 that we can draw._ _First: the system is not nearly as capable as it is often perceived to be. Second: It is, nonetheless, among the most capable air defense systems in use today._ From [here](https://www.sandboxx.us/news/the-s-400-myth-why-russias-air-defense-prowess-is-exaggerated/). There is no such thing as the perfect system. I think folks get way to hyped up about both anecdotal failures and successes of various pieces of military hardware. I mean HIMARS, with or without ATACMS, are not magical keys to the battlefield and Russian tanks are not utter crap. What is true is that HIMARS are highly effective for certain purposes when used properly and most Russian tanks have some serious design vulnerabilities. So with the S-400 and other higher tier SAM systems. They’re not magic bullets, but they’re pretty decent at what they’re designed to do. But what they are not designed to do is be 100% effective, while also being 100% invulnerable. The Russians would love it if they were, but they’re not. They’re just a petty decent, but very imperfect air defense system. A few successes or failures here or there really doesn’t change that equation. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2023, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5988 "2023-09-22T20:18:33Z")
Taurus cruise missiles on the way, 96 reportedly. Longer range, 500 km (300 mi), bigger two stage warhead for hardened targets dual stage 480-kilogram (1,100 lb). Intended targets are hardened bunkers; command, control, and communications facilities; airfield and port facilities; ammunition storage facilities; ships in port or at sea; area target attack and bridges. Any bridge in particular? [Taurus KEPD 350 - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taurus_KEPD_350) [chrisschmitz\_osint :verified:: "RUMINT " - NAFO](https://nafo.army/@chrisschmitz/111110461507470173) ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2023, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5989 "2023-09-22T20:35:18Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Zelenskiy received a much warmer welcome in Canada. He collected more money for the war effort. Sending all those Ukrainian immigrants to Saskatchewan and Alberta 120 years ago is finally paying off. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=293) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=295)