# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 295
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2023, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5990 "2023-09-22T20:41:29Z")
Definitely. I think I read that Canada has the 3rd largest number of people of Ukrainian descent, coming after Ukraine and then Russia. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2023, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5991 "2023-09-22T22:38:17Z")
Ukraine military intelligence chief claims… > > > Ostap Yarysh @OstapYarysh > ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2023, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5992 "2023-09-22T23:20:13Z")
Interview with Kyrylo Budanov, head of Ukrainian military intelligence and subject of a thousand memes: > **[Exclusive Interview With Ukraine's Spy Boss From His DC Hotel Room](https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/exclusive-interview-with-ukraines-spy-boss-from-his-dc-hotel-room)** > > Lt. Gen. Kyrylo Budanov opens up about the ongoing counteroffensive, attacks inside Russia, warnings about Abrams tank usage and much more. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2023, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5993 "2023-09-22T23:54:54Z")
Romanchuk: My chest have much metal. Ukraine: Hold our beer… ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5994 "2023-09-23T01:37:10Z")
Slowed down and enhanced video of HQ Scalping. Definite 2nd missile. > May be a third coming in from a wider view. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5995 "2023-09-23T02:24:09Z")
Wow. I wonder what the real casualty figures are. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5996 "2023-09-23T03:15:31Z")
Probably pretty steep. It looks like there could be a lot of windows in that building. Lot of windows. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stainless_steel_rat/32/5727_2.png) [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5997 "2023-09-23T12:05:44Z")
And Poland is in a snit due to Ukranian grain prices… > **[Poland is done sending arms to Ukraine, Polish leader says as trade dispute...](https://apnews.com/article/poland-ukraine-weapons-russia-war-trade-dispute-5e2e7a194b5238b86c160f0f4848b4f3)** > > Poland’s prime minister says his country is no longer sending arms to Ukraine. The comment appeared to put Poland’s status as a major source of military equipment for Kyiv in doubt as a trade dispute between the neighboring states escalates. So, I’m betting this gets settled in a week or so, deals get done, and help continues. But what I know about Eastern European politics is…about as much as the rest of you do. Guess we’ll have to see. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5998 "2023-09-23T13:48:25Z")
Damn, I thought I’d read they’d worked things out already. I really hope that relationship doesn’t erode. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/5999 "2023-09-23T13:54:04Z")
That seems incredibly stupid of Poland. The reason why grain prices from Ukraine are high right now is because there’s a friggin’ war going on. You don’t like that, then do what you can to end the war quicker. Not to mention that, if Russia were somehow against all odds to beat Ukraine, Poland is the next slice of the salami. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6000 "2023-09-23T14:23:02Z")
My limited (and possibly mistaken) information/impression is that some of what’s coming from Poland is connected to upcoming elections, elections where support from the agricultural sector, and some of the more nervous general population, is important. I also gather this spat has irritated other EU members, with most of the ire directed at Poland (although of course some is on Ukraine). For all that the EU can unite Europe it’s wise to remember that the EU really is composed of separate nations each with the own priorities and internal politics. Meanwhile, Putin will use this to “show” how the West is divided, squabbling, etc. Well, yes, the nations of the West do have their disagreements but that doesn’t mean they won’t join together against a common threat. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6001 "2023-09-23T15:21:27Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > I also gather this spat has irritated other EU members, with most of the ire directed at Poland Poland is _always_ annoying the wider western EU. They’re almost as fractious and contrarian as Hungary. It’s been this way forever. A deeper dive into the cultural, political, and historical reasons why should be taken to another thread. But for this context, it’s unsurprising that they look for ways to go against the grain. ---
**Author:** ![abcdefghij](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/43a26b/32.png) [@abcdefghij](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/abcdefghij)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6002 "2023-09-23T15:22:17Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > The reason why grain prices from Ukraine are high right now is because there’s a friggin’ war going on. You don’t like that, then do what you can to end the war quicker. High prices apparently isn’t what bothers them. From the linked article > Poland, Hungary and Slovakia said the new ban on [Ukrainian grain imports](https://apnews.com/article/poland-ukraine-grain-russia-war-f14ca84b946b42821688d0d175cfa9e3)was put in place to protect their farmers from a glut of Ukrainian grain in their markets, which lowers prices and hurts their livelihood. Not that that detracts from your broader point. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6003 "2023-09-23T15:39:11Z")
Right. My understanding is that because the Black Sea route is limited, there’s been more traffic westward up the Danube and by rail/train. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6004 "2023-09-23T16:21:44Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > Probably pretty steep. Latest I read on CNN, the Russians are still claiming only one “soldier” casualty. Meanwhile, the Ukrainians have a [somewhat different take](https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/23/europe/special-ops-black-sea-strike-dozens-dead-intl-hnk/index.html), which seems more in line with what the video showed. > “The daring and painstaking work of the Special Operations Forces enabled them to hit the Black Sea Fleet headquarters ‘on time and with precision’ while the Russian Navy’s senior staff was meeting in the temporarily occupied city of Sevastopol,” it said in the statement. > > “The data was transmitted to the Air Force for strike. The details of the attack will be revealed once it is possible. The result is dozens of dead and wounded occupiers, including the senior leadership of the fleet,” the statement read. > > It added, “We are moving further!” ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6005 "2023-09-23T17:09:11Z")
Since the start of the invasion, Russia has reportedly lost 25 combat aircraft and 9 helicopters within Russian territory to non-combat reasons: > ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6006 "2023-09-23T17:40:04Z")
And in sporting news: > **[Flames' Russian defenceman Nikita Zadorov speaks out against Putin, war in...](https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/flames-russian-defenceman-speaks-out-against-putin-1.6976218)** > > Calgary Flames defenceman Nikita Zadorov has spoken out against Russia's invasion of Ukraine and says he and other Russian NHL players couldn't come to an agreement on what to say about it. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6007 "2023-09-23T19:39:24Z")
They can’t use them inside Russia. But the Russian HQ and weapons Depot inside Ukraine and Crimea will be ripe targets. > **[US agrees to send long-range missiles to Ukraine](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/23/us-agrees-to-send-long-range-missiles-atacms-to-ukraine-in-military-boost-for-kyiv)** > > America will supply the ATACMS weapons, enabling Ukrainian forces to target Russian military logistics way beyond the frontline > [@](#): > > The long-range missiles could be particularly important in winter, when cold weather slows fighting along the frontlines and Russia may try to shore up its defences in occupied Ukrainian territory. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6008 "2023-09-23T20:06:50Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > But for this context, it’s unsurprising that they look for ways to go against the grain. Pun intended? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6009 "2023-09-23T20:16:41Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Pun intended? we somehow must separate the wit from the chaff [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=294) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=296)