# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 299
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6072 "2023-09-29T00:36:10Z")
M-M-M-Max Headroom agrees that the Sokolov AI deepfake has better production values than he did. As to the Shahad factory, well … play stupid games win stupid prizes. One of the interesting side effects of Russia declaring open war on the West is that the full horsepower of the entire West can be usefully proxied through Ukraine to attack a lot of stuff that needs attacking that would be a wee bit too provocative if the US or Israeli Air Force did it. ---
**Author:** ![Digger11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@Digger11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Digger11)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6073 "2023-09-29T00:39:26Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > The factory in Iran that makes Shahed drones is reportedly on fire. Surely just a random coincidence. It’s not like Iran has done anything to tick off certain countries. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6074 "2023-09-29T01:05:05Z")
I do wonder about that Iranian fire… Officially, I don’t think that Ukraine and Iran are at war with each other, are they? A direct attack by Ukraine on that factory would be a clear act of war… if it could be traced back to Ukraine. Was it Ukraine anyway? Was it some non-state actor sympathetic to Ukraine? Was it some other country, counting on the war providing enough uncertainty? Or, of course, was it just an accident that nobody’s crying too much about? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6075 "2023-09-29T01:40:05Z")
Iran has had a lot of civil unrest lately. Western aligned dissidents might target a drone factory to embarrass the regime. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6076 "2023-09-29T03:00:52Z")
Odd that the Shahed factory is getting zero coverage. The only stories I can dig up are ten months old, save for a seven second youtube clip showing some smoke somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6077 "2023-09-29T14:44:47Z")
Russia shot down one of its own advanced aircraft last night > **[Russia shoots down its own Su-35 fighter jet](https://defence-blog.com/russia-shoots-down-its-own-su-35-fighter-jet/)** > > Russian air defense troops have shot down one of the most advanced fighter jets in frontline service with the Russian Aerospace Forces. Russian propagandist Ilya Tumanov confirmed on his influential Fighterbomber channel that the Russian Armed Forces... ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6078 "2023-09-29T15:31:56Z")
> [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](#): > > Russia shot down one of its own advanced aircraft last night. I’ll believe it if Ukraine denies any responsibility. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6079 "2023-09-29T15:35:58Z")
Having been quiet for a couple of months, the anti-Putin Russian army is back: > > ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6080 "2023-09-29T15:45:49Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > I’ll believe it if Ukraine denies any responsibility. If I were Ukraine, even if I had shot it down I’d let the credit/blame fall to Russia. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6081 "2023-09-29T17:39:43Z")
> [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](#): > > Russia shot down one of its own advanced aircraft last night Good advertisement for their anti-aircraft systems. And they can use the money from those sales to replace their aircraft. Putin has it all figured out. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6082 "2023-09-29T18:10:45Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Good advertisement for their anti-aircraft systems. And they can use the money from those sales to replace their aircraft. Putin has it all figured out. They could spin it as, they knew the pilot was about to defect to Ukraine, so they shot it down. Makes them look less incompetent, while also sending a message to any pilots who _are_ thinking about defecting. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6083 "2023-09-29T18:49:47Z")
Shit happens. Your own SAMs are often one of the larger threats you face. Positive ID of friendlies is a very difficult problem. Still. Given how much defense has dominated the air battle from the git-go I’m surprised this isn’t more common. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6084 "2023-09-29T22:22:38Z")
Russia is holding a show trial for the Ukrainian Azovstal defenders of Mariupol. Compare this Russian POW released from Ukrainian custody with a Ukrainian soldier on trial in Russia. > ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6085 "2023-09-30T18:15:12Z")
It would be nice if the UN could put a bounty on Putin for war crimes that allowed for crowd funding. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2023, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6086 "2023-10-01T01:27:37Z")
How many ways could this go horribly wrong? Targeting British training camps could be considered a attact on NATO. > **[British troops could deploy to Ukraine for first time to train soldiers, says...](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/30/british-troops-could-deploy-to-ukraine-to-train-soldiers-says-grant-shapps)** > > Defence secretary says proposal being discussed would reduce reliance on UK and other Nato members’ bases > [@](#): > > After a briefing with Gen Sir Patrick Sanders, the chief of the general staff, and other senior personnel at Salisbury Plain, Shapps said: “I was talking today about eventually getting the training brought closer and actually into Ukraine as well. > > “Particularly in the west of the country, I think the opportunity now is to bring more things ‘in country’ – not just training, but also we’re seeing BAE [the UK defence firm], for example, [move into manufacturing](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/08/31/british-defence-giant-bae-building-artillery-ukraine/) in country, for example. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2023, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6087 "2023-10-01T03:08:05Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Targeting British training camps could be considered a attact on NATO. Not if they’re in Ukraine. Where did you get that notion? I have an idea, let’s put a British trainer with every unit and then they can’t be attacked? We could put a British training camp next to every munitions factory. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2023, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6088 "2023-10-01T03:43:37Z")
[Metro](https://metro.co.uk/2023/09/29/russia-putin-to-stage-first-nationwide-nuclear-attack-exercise-19576216/) Friday 29 Sep 2023 8:38 am **Putin to stage first nationwide exercise simulating nuclear attack from the West** - It is scheduled to take place on October 3 and will see Vladimir Putin regime present the West as a nuclear aggressor. - The one-day nuclear attack exercise, which has only ever been done region by region, will include preparation for the destruction of up to 70% of Russian housing stock and life support facilities. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2023, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6089 "2023-10-01T11:03:49Z")
Fear and hate. Where have I seen this playbook before?? ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2023, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6090 "2023-10-01T13:36:19Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > How many ways could this go horribly wrong? Targeting British training camps could be considered a attact on NATO. The US DoD is actively considering / planning to add US trainers on the ground in Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2023, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6091 "2023-10-01T14:56:16Z")
I hope the military is extra vigilant on Oct. 3. It seems to me the best time to launch a strike that might cause a nuclear response would be on the day when a ‘practice alert’ has your population already in bunkers. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=298) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=300)