# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/41 "2022-10-31T01:08:51Z")
“butty”? > [@](#): > > Noun > > **butty** (_plural_ **butties** ) > > 1. ([UK](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom), chiefly [Northern England](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_England), [New Zealand](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand)) A sandwich, usually with a hot savoury filling in a breadcake. The most common are chips, bacon, sausage and egg. > > 2.Let’s have a bacon **butty**!\* A товарищ is a sandwich? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/42 "2022-10-31T01:23:54Z")
ISW report has concluded Putin will continue trying conventional attacks in Ukraine. Interesting analysis. I hope they’re correct. I see the point that Putin is counting on a harsh winter without adequate electricity to make a difference in Ukraine. How about Russian forces? They will face similar problems with electricity and heating. Where ever possible, Ukraine should cutoff occupied regions from the grid. > **[Institute for the Study of War](https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-october-30)** > > ISW is publishing an abbreviated campaign update today, October 30. This report forecasts that Russia will continue to conduct conventional military operations well into 2023 rather than escalating to the use of tactical nuclear weapons or scaling... ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/43 "2022-10-31T02:00:35Z")
It’s always interesting when non-fascists slip through the propaganda net on Russian state TV. > ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/44 "2022-10-31T02:21:29Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > He won’t be invited back. He should stay on the 1st floor of any and all buildings. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/45 "2022-10-31T04:01:15Z")
It’s reported that Colonel general Lapin, commander of the forces of the Russian Central Military District that oversees fighting in eastern Ukraine, has been dismissed. He has been the target of criticism from Kadyrov and Prigozhin. > **[Commander of Russias Central Military District dismissed](https://news.yahoo.com/commander-russias-central-military-district-162801634.html)** > > KATERYNA TYSHCHENKO - SATURDAY, 29 OCTOBER 2022, 19:28 Colonel General Alexander Lapin, the Commander of the Russian Armed Forces' Central Military District, has been dismissed from his post. Source: Chechen state television and radio; the Russian... ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/46 "2022-10-31T04:05:41Z")
It’s well known that rapid, repeated changes at the top of your command structure are the best way to get peak performance from your army. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/47 "2022-10-31T04:06:58Z")
I’m envisioning Lapin doing some version of the Snoopy dance after hearing that. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/48 "2022-10-31T04:07:29Z")
What happens when Russia runs out of generals? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/49 "2022-10-31T04:22:39Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I’m envisioning Lapin doing some version of the Snoopy dance after hearing that. Provided he doesn’t dance too close to an open window, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/50 "2022-10-31T04:29:31Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I’m envisioning Lapin doing some version of the Snoopy dance after hearing that. [https://media.tenor.com/dEi6NY7r8VUAAAAd/simpsons-dance.gif](https://media.tenor.com/dEi6NY7r8VUAAAAd/simpsons-dance.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/51 "2022-10-31T04:50:33Z")
Given that it’s General _Lapin_, surely rather than a Snoopy dance it should be a Bugs Bunny dance. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/52 "2022-10-31T05:01:09Z")
Some know the truth of the matter, it just takes big brass balls to speak it in that regime. “This is their Great Patriotic War,” indeed. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/53 "2022-10-31T06:30:29Z")
The US had a front seat in securing Ukraine’s networks. I’m surprised they’re allowed to say anything. This is crucial experience for our cyber security specialists that can help secure US networks. > **[Inside a US military cyber team’s defence of Ukraine](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-63328398)** > > A little-known US team that hunts global adversaries has helped protect Ukraine from cyber attacks. > [@](#): > > By late last year, Western intelligence officials were watching Russian military preparations and growing increasingly concerned that a new blizzard of cyber-attacks would accompany an invasion, crippling communications, power, banking and government services, to pave the way for the seizure of power. > > The US military Cyber Command wanted to discover whether Russian hackers had already infiltrated Ukrainian systems, hiding deep inside. Within two weeks, their mission became one of its largest deployments with around 40 personnel from across US armed services. > In January they had a front-row seat as Russia began paving the way in cyberspace for a coming invasion in which Ukraine’s cyber-defences would be put to an unprecedented test. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/54 "2022-10-31T06:31:45Z")
> [@Al128](#): > > interesting vid that gives some vision on the intensity of life in a war … It’s worth pointing out that casualties (including fatalities) from rollover accidents were common enough for US forces in Iraq and Afghanistan that they actually developed rollover-trainers. Basically, an MRAP or a humvee setup on a hydraulic system to… physically roll the vehicle upside down. Just to get oriented to extricating oneself from such a situation, and to emphasize the importance of wearing seatbelts and securing equipment within the vehicle (so as not to have everything flying all over the place as the vehicle upturned). The idea, of course, was to be _inside_ the armored vehicle as it was moving. The gunner’s position was a particularly dangerous one to be in. Not only for the obvious danger of being exposed to enemy fire or IED blasts, but also precisely because one was liable to end up with the vehicle on top of them (resulting in a fatality) if it rolled over. The official story was we were supposed to try real hard to grab the gunner by the legs and pull them in if it looked like the vehicle was in danger of rolling over. Don’t know how successful that would have been. Anyway, not sure why these Russian troops would be riding on but _outside_ the vehicle, particularly while being actively shelled. Seems like a pretty stupid idea. But such is Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Stupid. ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/55 "2022-10-31T07:07:27Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > Who in their right mind would sell off their own equipment, that they need _right now?_ The thing is, we don’t know what actually happened. Maybe the NVG only existed on paper. Maybe someone where they were warehoused stole them. Maybe the officer that’s complaining actually sold them. Maybe the troops are sending them home because they have gotten used to sending everything they looted home. For all we know, front line troops got toilet paper rolls with NVG printed on them. > [@Magiver](#): > > He should stay on the 1st floor of any and all buildings. That doesn’t help, he’ll just be a suicide or murder - suicide if he has a family. > [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Provided he doesn’t dance too close to an open window, of course. Probably more like at the end of a rope. Putin doesn’t seem to like failure much. > [@dtilque](#): > > What happens when Russia runs out of generals? Luckily, Russia was always top heavy with officers. Everyone will just move up a rank. At this time next year, all their generals will have been lieutenants when the war started. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 9:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/56 "2022-10-31T09:07:03Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > Who in their right mind would sell off their own equipment, that they need _right now?_ Well, that thermal imager’ll buy you half a gallon of vodka, won’t it? When you consider how the Russian state has historically used vodka to keep the populace downtrodden and complacent, it should be no surprise that the rank and file are willing to toss out vital supplies for their next buzz. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/vK7l55ZOVIc/maxresdefault.jpg "How Vodka ruined Russia") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK7l55ZOVIc) ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/57 "2022-10-31T11:45:05Z")
> [@mordecaiB](#): > > Everyone will just move up a rank. At this time next year, all their generals will have been lieutenants when the war started. In my mind canon, this is how armies get better: generals promoted during peace get replaced by officers with real world combat experience in the current conflict. Of course, those are usually the successful officers, and those appear in short supply for Russia in the current special operation. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/58 "2022-10-31T13:29:32Z")
Glad tbe UN is taking action. Seems likely they’ve learned the safe route through the mines by observing the previous trips. Let’s hope new mines haven’t been put in place. > **[Ukraine war: Grain ships leave Ukraine ports despite Russian pull-out](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63458641)** > > Ukraine says 12 vessels sail from its ports but Russia warns this is too risky after leaving a key deal. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/59 "2022-10-31T13:43:04Z")
The dismissal of General Lapin means that all five of Russia’s senior commanders - commanders of Russia’s four primary military districts and the airborne forces (VDV) - who led the invasion of Ukraine in February have been relieved. > **[Ukraine Situation Report: Another Week, Another Fired Russian General](https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraine-situation-report-another-week-another-fired-russian-general)** > > Colonel-General Alexander Lapin, a target of Russian mil-bloggers, is the latest commander in Ukraine to get axed for frontline failures. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/60 "2022-10-31T14:03:29Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > The dismissal of General Lapin means that all five of Russia’s senior commanders - commanders of Russia’s four primary military districts and the airborne forces (VDV) - who led the invasion of Ukraine in February have been relieved. Could there be a Russian Ulysses S Grant waiting in the wings somewhere? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=4)