# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2022, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/581 "2022-11-14T22:16:55Z")
> [@Al128](#): > > I am picking up some interwebs noise that **with some phantasy might** suggest that the Ukr have already moved over to the eastern/left bank of the Dnepro, coming from the south side of Kherson without having stopped in Kherson… > > If true, another great and unexpected move, coming from the black-sea-side … Well, not _completely_ unexpected: > [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > Right, which is why Ukraine will conduct an amphibious operation to cross the river at some remote point and then swing around to trap the Russians waiting on that side before seeking to retake Kherson. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2022, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/582 "2022-11-14T23:06:28Z")
Ukrainian tank (or IFV) vs Russian anti-tank triangular dragon’s teeth fortifications - irresistible force vs crushable objects: > ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/583 "2022-11-15T01:51:51Z")
Hoping for good news. I’m a little concerned Ukraine forces could get trapped on the left bank with no way to pull back. > > ---
**Author:** ![TheGunIsMightierThanThePen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thegunismightierthanthepen/32/2981_2.png) [@TheGunIsMightierThanThePen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheGunIsMightierThanThePen)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/584 "2022-11-15T02:22:13Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > United Nations General Assembly votes on making Russia responsible for paying reparations to Ukraine: Nice gesture and all, but I take it this is mostly symbolic? Predictably, Russia’s going to tell the UN to go pound sand, and how is the UN going to realistically enforce this? Continued sanctions until Russia pays up? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/585 "2022-11-15T02:42:55Z")
Deny claims multiple sources confirms the amphibious landing. I find his explanations with maps helpful. Tomorrow’s news should be very interesting. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/vvztxcimU7g/maxresdefault.jpg "Update from Ukraine | Ukrainian Army crossed the river in Kherson | Zelenskiy has balls of steel") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvztxcimU7g) ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/586 "2022-11-15T03:33:06Z")
I caught that update, too. As he says, we shouldn’t take any of that as truth, but it may be interesting on the left bank of the Dnipro tomorrow. If Ukraine has pulled off amphibious assaults on two points of that river and can consolidate and begin to supply their positions, I will be more amazed than I have been at any point in this war. If they do that and are able to push further, I’d start to bet that they could actually take Crimea by conventional means. I had assumed that bombing the bridge and starving Crimea would be a necessity. If this is actually happening and is successful, I’m not so sure. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/587 "2022-11-15T05:45:42Z")
I suspect Ukraine is benefiting greatly from US reconnaissance and intelligence gathering. They probably know most Russian positions and movements with fairly good accuracy. They probably knew where and when Russian units were leaving, where they went, and where they were 20 minutes ago. Probably with better accuracy than Russian command. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/588 "2022-11-15T06:25:45Z")
> [@TheGunIsMightierThanThePen](#): > > Nice gesture and all, but I take it this is mostly symbolic? Predictably, Russia’s going to tell the UN to go pound sand, and how is the UN going to realistically enforce this? Continued sanctions until Russia pays up? Any Russian assets in UN nations that voted for the resolution can be confiscated, liquidated, and credited to Ukraine for rebuilding. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/589 "2022-11-15T13:49:40Z")
I’ve learned that highway intersections are key positions. A lot of battles are fought to control them. Things are heating up. Russians moved the Kherson HQ 12 1/2 miles. And of course, Russia responds with Cruise missiles against Kiev and other cities. That’s all the bastards can do. The crews operating the new missile defense systems are getting on the job training. They’ll get much better as the war continues. > > > ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/590 "2022-11-15T15:23:14Z")
Concerning the Ukr. amphibious operation on Kinburn Spit, it’s quite small scale. No heavy weapons involved. Likely, an effort to simply keep Russians occupied and off-balance following the Kherson retreat. ---
**Author:** ![TheGunIsMightierThanThePen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thegunismightierthanthepen/32/2981_2.png) [@TheGunIsMightierThanThePen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheGunIsMightierThanThePen)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/591 "2022-11-15T15:41:01Z")
Oh right, I had completely forgotten about the seized assets, since that happened at the beginning of the war. Now that you mention it, I also recall Russia seizing other countries’ airplanes and maybe some other stuff too in retaliation, for no good reason aside from the Western countries being big meanies to them. So now Russia will get a taste of their own thuggish tactics used against them. Me likey. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/592 "2022-11-15T15:56:44Z")
It also means Ukraine controls the mouth of the Dnieper River with its access to Kherson and the port city of Mykolaiv. The long and thin Kinburn Peninsula has just one road running along it and it’s in range of Ukrainian artillery, so any Russian attack would be under artillery fire the whole way. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/593 "2022-11-15T18:56:50Z")
Two missiles land in Poland near Ukrainian border, killing two. Who knows if it is testing the waters, or a mistake: > **[Two dead after Russian missiles land in NATO state Poland](https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1697080/russia-poland-missle-dead-NATO-state-Ukraine-war-pictures-world-war-3)** > > The Prime Minister of Poland has called an emergency meeting following the explosion. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/594 "2022-11-15T19:16:51Z")
I’d assume a mistake. Poland will respond angrily with words, might convince NATO and/or the EU to find even more things to sanction, and that’ll be the end of it. ---
**Author:** ![Dahnlor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dahnlor/32/533_2.png) [@Dahnlor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dahnlor)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/595 "2022-11-15T19:21:10Z")
Perhaps this is wishful thinking on my part, but a no-fly zone (which Ukraine has been asking for since February) would seem to be the most effective way to proactively prevent errant Russian missiles from landing in NATO territory. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/596 "2022-11-15T19:22:19Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > I’d assume a mistake. I wouldn’t. I would assume “testing the waters”. Putin may be thinking “How much will NATO respond?” And I think the first response should be to massively support anti-missile systems in Ukraine, and increase military support to Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/597 "2022-11-15T19:26:29Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Heck, for all we know the recent rain of oligarchs was for exactly this reason: they were plotting. Or looked like they were plotting. Or were thinking about plotting. Or looked like they were thinking about plotting. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/598 "2022-11-15T19:28:55Z")
The key thing is whether it’s a deliberate attack on the supply route for Western aid to Ukraine, as many have feared might happen, and which is something Russian propagandists and vatniks frequently espouse. Here is Solovyov last night: [![](https://i.imgur.com/GwmVQXn.png) ](https://i.imgur.com/GwmVQXn.png) It seems unlikely to me that Russia actually would take this step, though. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/599 "2022-11-15T19:30:30Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > It seems unlikely to me that Russia actually would take this step, though. They might try it out to see what would happen. It is an attack on a NATO country. Putin may be gambling that it will get a tepid response (something less than a full declaration of war and nukes heading to Moscow), and this will give him a green light to conduct more attacks on NATO countries. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/600 "2022-11-15T19:35:01Z")
It looks like a farm and not a supply depot, anyway. [![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhoO7o3X0AAGaxy?format=jpg&name=small) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhoO7o3X0AAGaxy?format=jpg&name=small) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=29) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=31)