# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 308
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2023, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6252 "2023-10-31T18:05:37Z")
Yep. Mid September attack on the [Sevastopol shipyard](https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-russia-war-submarine-british-cruise-missile-sevastopol-crimea/) ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2023, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6253 "2023-10-31T18:18:59Z")
I thought that neither side was using their airforce very much. How did Russia lose over 300 jets? ---
**Author:** ![tofor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tofor/32/13727_2.png) [@tofor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tofor)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2023, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6254 "2023-10-31T18:19:57Z")
Shot them down themselves? ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2023, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6255 "2023-10-31T18:50:45Z")
And some I imagine have been damaged in airport sabotage and drone attacks. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2023, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6256 "2023-10-31T19:25:26Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > I thought that neither side was using their airforce very much. How did Russia lose over 300 jets? Oryx has confirmed a total of 78 Russian combat aircraft destroyed (and 70 Ukrainian). Those Ukrainian tweets are pure propaganda and should be taken with a mighty grain of salt. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2023, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6257 "2023-10-31T19:25:58Z")
Thanks, that’s what I was thinking. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2023, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6258 "2023-10-31T19:45:54Z")
Yeah, about a month ago, they hit a Kilo class sub that was in drydock at Sevastopol, probably using Storm shadow missiles ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2023, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6259 "2023-10-31T21:45:58Z")
Ukraine destroys Russian GPS-jamming system… using a GPS-guided bomb: > **[The Russians Installed A GPS-Jammer In Ukraine. The Ukrainians Blew It Up—With...](https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/10/31/the-russians-installed-a-gps-jammer-in-ukraine-the-ukrainians-blew-it-up-with-a-gps-guided-bomb/?sh=28ac7e0263eb)** > > Russia installed a radio-jammer that interferes with the signals that direct GPS-guided munitions. Last week, Ukraine blew it up ... with a GPS-guided bomb. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2023, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6260 "2023-10-31T22:09:37Z")
I wonder perhaps if the bomb was guided by [GLONASS](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GLONASS), which the Russians would be more reluctant to jam. Or it could have simply homed in on the interference transmitter. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2023, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6261 "2023-10-31T22:35:04Z")
I don’t think anything uses just GPS. Modern electronics that do location services typically use all three major satellite systems, and WiFi, and cell towers, and magnetometers, and integrated accelerometers, and anything else they can think of. I’d expect a guided munition would have technology at least as good as what’s in a phone. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2023, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6262 "2023-11-01T00:26:20Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I’d expect a guided munition would have technology at least as good as what’s in a phone. Or, maybe, a phone. They would be kind of like voicemail, only louder. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2023, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6263 "2023-11-01T00:58:32Z")
:golf clap: ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2023, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6264 "2023-11-01T10:25:59Z")
> [@Kelevra](#): > > According to Ukraine the Russians have lost over 300,000 soldiers. Sometimes I wonder at what point the losses of young(ish) men create a significant demographic crisis for Russia. But that’s for another thread. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2023, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6265 "2023-11-01T11:36:26Z")
Some discussion of the demographic issue here (last June): > [@Russia (In The Longer Term)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-in-the-longer-term/984935): > > Curious about reactions to these two items. Are these essentially normal fluctuations, or something more? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2023, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6266 "2023-11-01T11:55:02Z")
Thanks. I had forgotten about the mass exodus. Quite an interesting thread there. ---
**Author:** ![Kelevra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/97f17d/32.png) [@Kelevra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kelevra)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2023, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6267 "2023-11-01T13:30:12Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > Those Ukrainian tweets are pure propaganda and should be taken with a mighty grain of salt. I assume 1/3 are dead, 1/3 are injured, and the final third are made up. But even at that it’s still a stunning number of casualties. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2023, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6268 "2023-11-02T02:37:04Z")
> [@Kelevra](#): > > I assume 1/3 are dead, 1/3 are injured, and the final third are made up. But even at that it’s still a stunning number of casualties. And half of them are prisoners. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2023, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6269 "2023-11-02T13:01:35Z")
I think the UK Defence Ministry at one point (a few months ago) said that they thought the Ukrainian estimates were broadly accurate. However you may or may not wish to also believe the UK’s claims in this matter. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2023, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6270 "2023-11-02T16:34:54Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > > [@Kelevra](#): > > > > I assume 1/3 are dead, 1/3 are injured, and the final third are made up. But even at that it’s still a stunning number of casualties. > > And half of them are prisoners. Do you mean half of them were Russian convicts before entering combat, or that half of them are now held by the Ukrainians in Ukrainian POW camps? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2023, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6271 "2023-11-02T21:00:10Z")
I didn’t try to quote. This entire interview with Ukraine’s 4 star general sums up the war and why its at a stalemate. It’s no surprise that the General strongly recommends increased air power. Mine clearing is extremely difficult. The Russians can mine cleared areas again from a distance. > **[Zaluzhny Admits ‘Stalemate,’ Warns of a Positional War – ‘Russia Shouldn’t Be...](https://www.kyivpost.com/post/23572)** > > Russia suffered heavy losses and spent a lot of ammo but will have an advantage in weapons and equipment for a long time in what Ukraine’s General Zaluzhny calls a “positional war.” > **[5 Things You Should Know From Zaluzhny's Economist Interview](https://www.kyivpost.com/post/23584)** > > The head of Ukraine's Armed Forces pointed out there's a huge risk of the ongoing Ukrainian offensive transitioning into a prolonged static conflict that could extend for many years. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=307) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=309)