# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 312
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6332 "2023-11-14T18:45:19Z")
@Mops thank you It’s good to see that Germany has stepped up support in so many ways. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2023, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6333 "2023-11-15T12:33:45Z")
I think Putin is gearing up for Election. He wants progress in the war at any cost. Also the opportunity is right while the world is distracted by Israel fighting Hamas. The next few months will be even more difficult and costly for both sides. Link [Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, November 14, 2023 | Institute for the Study of War](https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-november-14-2023) > [@](#): > > Ukrainian Ground Forces Commander Colonel General Oleksandr Syrskyi emphasized that Russian forces are pursuing simultaneous offensive actions in several directions and trying particularly to regain the initiative north and south of Bakhmut.[3] Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky stated that Ukrainian forces are reporting an increase of Russian assaults in the Kupyansk, Avdiivka, and Donetsk directions.[4] > > Ukrainian officials’ statements about the current tempo of Russian operations along the frontline are consistent with ISW’s assessment about ongoing Russian offensive operations, particularly in the Kupyansk, Bakhmut, and Avdiivka directions.[5] Russian forces will likely struggle to fully regain the initiative across the theater, however, and Ukrainian forces are continuing their own offensive operations and making tactical-level gains along the front, particularly in western Zaporizhia Oblast and on the east (left) bank of Kherson Oblast.[6] The Russian military command will likely have to decide whether to keep certain Russian elements on certain sectors of the front to defend against ongoing Ukrainian offensive operations or to redeploy them to support offensive operations elsewhere that will likely culminate without reinforcements. These choices will likely hinder Russia’s ability to fully regain the initiative in the coming weeks. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2023, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6334 "2023-11-15T14:25:25Z")
The Guardian has been one of the major sources of information about the war. It is a supporter of Ukraine and the articles generally report from the Ukrainian perspective. The editors posted a very interesting discussion about the current status of the war. I’m not offering an opinion myself. People should draw their own conclusions. The future of the war is a complex question and even a 20 min blog can’t cover everything. > **[Has Putin got the upper hand in Ukraine? – podcast](https://www.theguardian.com/world/audio/2023/nov/15/has-putin-got-the-upper-hand-in-ukraine-podcast)** > > With attention on the Middle East, Ukraine seems to be at a stalemate – which may sound like good news for Russia, but is not so straightforward ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2023, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6335 "2023-11-15T23:11:51Z")
On a more hopeful note: > **[Ukraine says ‘foothold’ on Dnipro River’s east bank will open up route to Crimea](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/15/ukrainian-foothold-over-dnipro-at-kherson-as-zelenskiy-says-avdiivka-costly-to-russian-war-effort)** > > Russian officials acknowledge presence of Ukrainian troops, reported to be engaged in heavy fighting ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6336 "2023-11-16T04:04:14Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I think Putin is gearing up for Election. A foregone conclusion. Voters will be handed ballots pre-filled out. Fascist dictators dont allow real elections. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2023, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6337 "2023-11-17T00:47:06Z")
The Kherson front is going well. Pushing Russia back helps protect Kherson City from artillery fire. Guardian blog > [@](#): > > A report [in the Wall Street Journal](https://www.wsj.com/world/ukraine-seeks-to-reignite-counteroffensive-with-daring-river-crossings-07e68b97) said Ukrainian marines were **reinforcing positions in three villages on the eastern bank of the Dnipro** , including emplacing **armoured Humvees and at least one infantry fighting vehicle** , and had cut off one road that Russians used to resupply troops in the area. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2023, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6338 "2023-11-18T18:58:45Z")
The fighting along the Dnipro river is getting intense. It’s no longer a scouting party to show the flag. > **[Ukraine war latest: Ukrainian Marines say Russia has suffered close to 3,500...](https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-war-latest-november-17/)** > > Key developments on Nov. 17: > > \* Ukrainian Marines: Russia has suffered close to 3,500 casualties in Dnipro River battles > \* BBC: 20,000 Ukrainian men have illegally crossed border since February 2022 > \* Zelensky: Kremlin planning campaign to... ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2023, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6339 "2023-11-19T15:57:03Z")
Snitching on Russian critics of the Ukrainian “special action” is in full swing. Just like the good old days! > **[Ukraine war: The Russians snitching on colleagues and strangers](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67427422)** > > In Soviet Russia it was common for people to report others to the authorities - now the practice is back. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2023, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6340 "2023-11-20T12:51:12Z")
That’s taking Karening to a whole new level. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2023, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6341 "2023-11-20T15:41:09Z")
Ukrainians should welcome Russians that previously moved to Ukraine before the war. I understand it’s hard accepting people from a country your fighting. It’s a unique problem for Ukraine because so much of the population has extended family in Russia. The subject of this article has a husband in the Ukrainian military. > **[Ukraine war: The Russians fighting for a Ukrainian passport](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67099716)** > > Russians in Ukraine say they can't work, use services or get bank accounts due to their nationality. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2023, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6342 "2023-11-20T15:43:15Z")
Deleted. Wrong thread. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2023, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6343 "2023-11-21T15:50:53Z")
It’s a real pity that Russia’s war hasn’t increased their weapon sales. It seems like such a good advertising opportunity. /s > **[Russian Air Force's flashy display ends in failure](https://www.newsweek.com/us-arms-makers-dubai-airshow-russia-sanctions-1845564)** > > One executive said he believed Russian firms were deliberately sidelined during last week's Dubai Airshow. And in more sensational news, I’m sure that having a “Satanic” killer in the ranks helped morale. Though he likely didn’t mention it. > **[Putin pardons Satanist cannibal sent to Russia's Storm-Z unit in Ukraine](https://www.newsweek.com/putin-pardons-criminal-satanist-cannibal-russia-storm-z-unit-1845647)** > > Nikolai Ogolobya was sentenced in July 2010 on charges of murder, robbery and desecrating a corpse. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2023, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6344 "2023-11-22T02:12:28Z")
This new tech could protect the US grid from cyber attacks. Ukraine is an important test. Cisco makes very good Network equipment. [https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/21/politics/ukraine-power-grid-equipment-cisco/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/21/politics/ukraine-power-grid-equipment-cisco/index.html) > [@](#): > > After Ukraine’s state-owned grid operator, Ukrenergo, quietly confirmed the new equipment worked despite Russian attacks on its GPS systems, Cisco shipped dozens of the pizza box-sized hardware kits worth an estimated $1 million to Ukraine, where they were installed across the country, Ukrenergo executives told CNN. > > The new equipment, which has not been previously reported, could offer a crucial lifeline to Ukraine’s electricity grid, which remains a key target of Russian attacks as the Kremlin’s war enters its second full winter. Russian [missile and drone strikes](https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/10/europe/ukraine-energy-russian-missiles-intl-cmd/index.html) over the last two years have destroyed about 40% of the power substations and related equipment that Ukrenergo operates across the country, the grid operator told CNN. > > In a rare cyberattack that has only just been made public, hackers connected to Russia’s military intelligence agency, the GRU, caused a power outage in Ukraine in October 2022, [according to US experts](https://www.mandiant.com/resources/blog/sandworm-disrupts-power-ukraine-operational-technology). ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2023, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6345 "2023-11-22T02:41:24Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Ukrainians should welcome Russians that previously moved to Ukraine before the war. I understand it’s hard accepting people from a country your fighting. Free admission and a washing machine with every kidnapped child brought in… ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2023, 9:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6346 "2023-11-22T09:57:39Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > [Putin Pardons Satanist Cannibal Sent to Russia's Storm-Z Unit in Ukraine](https://www.newsweek.com/putin-pardons-criminal-satanist-cannibal-russia-storm-z-unit-1845647) surströming? hold my vodka and watch this … ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2023, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6347 "2023-11-23T14:53:53Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > a washing machine with every kidnapped child brought in Someone would start a kidnapping ring to profit off those sweet free washing machines. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2023, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6348 "2023-11-24T14:13:52Z")
I found two recent articles. Ukrainians won’t be attending Top Gun school. They are learning the basics to provide air support. The ones that live long enough will get better with experience. I haven’t heard much about the current Russian pilots. I’d guess they’re very experienced. Russia has protected their air force from the most intense fighting. They’ve lost several planes from attacks on the ground. Russian air defense bagged several Russian planes & helicopters. That’s a reminder that Russian air defense is pretty lethal. Their own planes can’t defeat it. The second link confirms Ukraine has established bridging across the Dnipro [https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/21/europe/ukrainian-pilot-f-16-jet-intl/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/21/europe/ukrainian-pilot-f-16-jet-intl/index.html) [https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/24/world/ukraine-russia-dnipro-river-intl-hnk-dst/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/24/world/ukraine-russia-dnipro-river-intl-hnk-dst/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2023, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6349 "2023-11-24T14:33:02Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > That’s a reminder that Russian air defense is pretty lethal. Their own planes can’t defeat it. Their own planes shouldn’t have to defeat it. Pure lethality is not something you want from military equipment. You want that lethality to be directed purely at the enemy. Which means that by real-world standards, Russian air defense sucks. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2023, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6350 "2023-11-24T18:08:10Z")
Well yes, but if it can shoot down EVERYthing with a fair degree of completeness, that means that nobody can fly in the area. Stupid yes, as far as military doctrine goes. But it does mean that Ukraine pilots will be exposed to tough conditions if they fly sorties. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2023, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6351 "2023-11-24T18:20:43Z")
Yeah. What matters is your net score (enemy - friendly kills), not your total score (enemy + friendly kills). I have not been following the air defense play-by-play closely, but as a general matter, your large SAMs and radar-guided AAA should be operating with IFF systems to (largely) prevent targeting friendlies. To the degree those air defense systems are delivering fratricide there is evidently a severe problem with IFF reliability for whatever reason. Your MANPADs and visually aimed AAA tend to lack IFF receivers. If most of the friendly kills are from those systems that suggests poor training on the part of the firing crews. Or, more ominously for Russia, a desire to deliver fratricide. Something else factoring into the over/under on enemy vs. friendly kills is the relative opportunity. As a friendly tactical aircraft I’ve got to overly my own air defenses going both ways just to get to enemy territory. If the other side isn’t bringing jets or helos over onto my territory much or at all, then nearly all the air traffic on our side of the lines is our own aircraft. Which fact ought to be figuring heavily into how blindly aggressive, or carefully discerning, is the firing doctrine for our air defense team. Whatever is going on in the details, it seems the Russians don’t have the big picture working well for them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=311) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=313)