# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/621 "2022-11-15T23:21:39Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > They are guided, but I guess it’s possible someone fat fingered the coordinates. Maybe they should have used what.three.words instead. Also possible the guidance system failed at some point and the missile just continued on to fuel exhaustion and impact (if it was a cruise missile, I mean). ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/622 "2022-11-15T23:21:51Z")
I would guess mistake or malfunction is more likely than salami tactics, but who knows? ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/623 "2022-11-15T23:43:09Z")
On the bright side this might end up being the first time a world war really is over by Christmas. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/624 "2022-11-15T23:45:25Z")
Does it make a difference that people were killed? All of the reputable sources seem to agree on two, though I can’t find anything that says who they were. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/625 "2022-11-15T23:46:36Z")
Probably Polish farmers. The photo of the damage shows an overturned tractor. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2022, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/626 "2022-11-15T23:53:13Z")
Absolutely. The amount of people that another country (if that’s what happened) kills of course affects Poland’s response. Poland saying they don’t have hard evidence of which country launched it, but that it was Russian produced. Which doesn’t narrow it down because Ukraine also uses Russian SAMs. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/627 "2022-11-16T00:03:38Z")
No surprise. Their artillery has shown a distinct tropism for civilian targets rather than military ones. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/628 "2022-11-16T00:21:48Z")
Which is yet another reason that Russia is screwing up this war. Terror tactics did not work on London in WWII, and they are not going to work today. Ukraine blows up a warship, an ammunition depot, a re-supply convoy; Russia retaliates by blowing up an apartment building and killing some grandmas. Guess who is going to win the war? ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/629 "2022-11-16T00:26:11Z")
I’ve been itching for Article Five to be invoked since February. Hope this does the trick… ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/630 "2022-11-16T00:34:57Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > Also possible the guidance system failed at some point and the missile just continued on to fuel exhaustion and impact (if it was a cruise missile, I mean). thats ultimately irrelevant … If you don’t want your missiles to explode in NATO territory, simply don’t shoot near NATO (or be prepared for “play stupid games, win stupid prices”) … 'nother mayor screw-up in a long line of screw-ups …it seems ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/631 "2022-11-16T00:36:36Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > I’ve been itching for Article Five to be invoked since February. Hope this does the trick… What would you expect to happen after that? NATO is already doing more than is required under article 5. ---
**Author:** ![Ssounder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d07c76/32.png) [@Ssounder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ssounder)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/632 "2022-11-16T00:52:18Z")
I’m guessing a more measured response, like NATO deploying beefed up Air Defense on Poland’s eastern border. Possibly establish an “Iron Dome” with a buffer zone some distance into western Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/633 "2022-11-16T00:57:14Z")
At this point, I’m guessing it’s a Ukrainian air defense missile. A S-300 fired from Russian controlled territory wouldn’t be able to reach Poland. At least I don’t think it will. A S-300 has around 200 miles range, I’m supposing that’s against an aerial target. Even if you give it a perfect ballistic arc, it looks like it’s at least 500 miles from the point in Poland that was hit by the missile to the closest area controlled by Russia. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/634 "2022-11-16T01:00:24Z")
I’d guess Lviv was the target. Obviously the Russians targeting was way off. I can’t link the Guardian article. Looks like nearly 100km off using the map scale. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/635 "2022-11-16T01:01:36Z")
It’s still Russia’s fault. I think the West should seriously consider giving Ukraine some more advanced anti-air systems to ensure this doesn’t happen again. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/636 "2022-11-16T01:03:50Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > It’s still Russia’s fault. Yeah, but it does kind of mean that any real talk of NATO “needing” to reply to the incident won’t hold water. > [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > I think the West should seriously consider giving Ukraine some more advanced anti-air systems to ensure this doesn’t happen again. Heck, that was true yesterday and it’s true today. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/637 "2022-11-16T02:41:29Z")
It’s about 140km from Belarus. And (probably coincidentally) almost perfectly in line with the shortest path between Brest and Lviv. Russia has launched many many missiles from Belarus airspace. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/638 "2022-11-16T03:03:48Z")
> [@Al128](#): > > > [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > > > Also possible the guidance system failed at some point and the missile just continued on to fuel exhaustion and impact (if it was a cruise missile, I mean). > > thats ultimately irrelevant … It’s only irrelevant if you live in a world where intent doesn’t matter. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/639 "2022-11-16T03:07:40Z")
Very true, but all I know of have been air launched. It would be a divergence from their previous tactics to surface launch S-300 missiles ballistically from Belarus. I’m receptive to any evidence that it was a surface-to-surface launch from Belarus, though. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2022, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/640 "2022-11-16T03:24:55Z")
The problem for Russia may be the effect it will have. NATO will likely treat it as the error it was and not escalate greatly. But it will reunite the countries who have significant populations that are tired of spending money and giving machinery to Ukraine, convincing them they need to continue these efforts. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=31) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=33)