# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 320
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6495 "2023-12-20T15:01:55Z")
Looking long-term, Ukraine should implement similar compulsory military service policy as Israel. Every medically eligible man and woman should serve short-term in the military. Recieve training and range qualify on small arms weapons. Then maintain their military qualification in the reserves for perhaps 12 years? Mobilization of the reserves should be planned and tested every two years. That’s the only way a small country can defend itself against a imperialist neighbor with military expansionist ambitions. _I’m making simple declarative statements_ please open a thread if there’s any need to discuss. Guardian feed > [@](#): > > ## Ukrainian army wants 450,000-500,00 more troops > > Zelenskiy says the military has asked for an additional 450-500,000 people to be mobilised into the army but that a final decision had not been taken. > > The Ukrainian leader told the news conference in Kyiv that top military and government officials were due to discuss “this very sensitive issue of mobilisation” and that parliament would then consider it. > > Zelenskiy said that conducting a mobilisation at such a scale would require additional financing. > > He added he is “confident” the U.S. will not let [Ukraine](https://www.theguardian.com/world/ukraine) down in terms of ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6496 "2023-12-20T16:54:21Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Um, why did they have to be smuggled in and what idiot would pay $9,000 for the privilege?. Are people in Nepal not allowed to leave their country? Nepal has extreme poverty to the point that young men joining a foreign army for the (assumed/promised) pay looks like a better prospect than remaining where they are. Such impoverished people typically do not have money to travel and therefore must borrow in order to go to a new location to (hopefully) earn sufficient funds to send back home and/or get better opportunities. Be glad you’ve never had to deal with that sort of situation. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6497 "2023-12-20T17:18:48Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Length of service without rotations has to be solved. The most patriotic and determined soldiers defending their homes still can’t serve front line duty for many years. The stress and mental toll is too much. Exhausted men make mistakes and it can get them killed or horribly maimed. Maimed or dead soldiers can’t fight and defend anyone When my uncles signed up for WWII in December 1941 they didn’t come home until 1946. That’s a long time. I’m not saying that’s the way it should be done, but multi-year fighting in not unprecedented. Of course, prior experience is why we know it’s not really a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6498 "2023-12-20T17:39:15Z")
That’s entirely valid. I’ve often wondered about the mental toll on _The Band of Brothers_, Easy Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment of the 101st Airborne Division. Sometimes extreme sacrifice and heroism is required of men defending homes and families. The vulnerable and young require it of everyone that can fight. I sometimes think about the Ukrainians serving in those miserable Trenches in winter. Trench foot has to be horrific and almost totally unavoidable in front-line conditions. I’ve been looking for news about life in the Ukrainian Trenchs. Any thing they do to entertain themselves during the lulls in battle. Seen any news? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6499 "2023-12-20T18:27:39Z")
Nope. I do know that one of my uncles, for entertainment while fighting across Europe, read a dictionary from cover to cover. I suppose you find what entertainment you can. That’s why things like dice and card games have always been popular with soldiers - small and portable. I expect the same applies today, although when available there are cellphones and the internet. ---
**Author:** ![Tzigone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Tzigone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tzigone)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6500 "2023-12-20T18:29:20Z")
> **Hid off-topic question twice. WE?** > > > [@](#): > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > Length of service without rotations has to be solved. The most patriotic and determined soldiers defending their homes still can’t serve front line duty for many years. The stress and mental toll is too much. Exhausted men make mistakes and it can get them killed or horribly maimed. Maimed or dead soldiers can’t fight and defend anyone > > > > When my uncles signed up for WWII in December 1941 they didn’t come home until 1946. That’s a long time. I’m not saying that’s the way it should be done, but multi-year fighting in not unprecedented. Of course, prior experience is why we know it’s not really a good idea. > > Just some clarification - are we talking about service or front line service? I understood soldiers were rotated in WWII so they were not front line the entire time. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6501 "2023-12-20T18:29:25Z")
OK, this is not the WWII breaking news thread. I allowed a little, but stop it now. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6504 "2023-12-20T18:39:27Z")
Sorry, I wasn’t opening the door to WWII. It was only a example of extreme military sacrifice that most people saw dramatized on tv. No discussion is needed. I think and visualize subjects in examples like that. My Gawd, what the Ukrainian soldiers are facing is 50 times worse. Can you imagine a tiny drone flying over and dropping a grenade in your lap? Probably wouldn’t make any more kids. From now on, I’ll just provide dry news links and forget about any war discussion. At some point it will no longer be worth the effort. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6505 "2023-12-21T00:13:11Z")
That’s reassuring. Link [Despite the wrecking tactics of Viktor Orbán, the EU will find a way to get aid to Ukraine | Paul Taylor | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/dec/19/europe-ukraine-viktor-orban-aid-western-balkans) > [@](#): > > All of a sudden, it looked as if Europe had failed Ukraine in its hour of need, just as the Republican-dominated [US Congress was refusing](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/12/zelenskiy-struggles-to-get-us-republicans-to-back-61bn-ukraine-military-aid-package) to approve further financial aid for Kyiv. Having shown Ukraine the light at the end of the tunnel, European governments were denying it the fuel to keep its stalling train on track. > > This impression, too, may be illusory. There is a good chance that EU ministers will either approve the aid package unanimously next month, after Orbán has had his moment of glory to show his domestic audience that he has the power to stop [Europe](https://www.theguardian.com/world/europe-news) if necessary, or find another way to get the money to Kyiv. > > EU and national officials are already mapping out a workaround if Orbán continues to [obstruct the financial package](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/15/viktor-orban-plenty-more-chances-havoc-eu-decision-making). The other 26 members would contribute to an inter-government fund for Ukraine that would be administered by the European Commission and tied to reform conditions. Hungary’s GDP-linked contribution is anyway insignificant, and it would be unable to block the decision. A similar procedure was used to circumvent a[British veto on an EU fiscal treaty](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/dec/09/david-cameron-blocks-eu-treaty) in the midst of the eurozone crisis in 2011, back in the days when the UK was the leader of the union’s awkward squad. > > As ever, the EU is adept at muddling through and keeping the show on the road. But it manages to make historic decisions on Europe’s geopolitical future look messy and irresolute. The historian and Guardian columnist Timothy Garton Ash rightly [framed this summit](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/dec/13/war-peace-dictatorship-democracy-europe-european-council-liberalism-populism) in advance as a key moment in the epic struggle between liberalism and populism for the soul of Europe. As such, the outcome was a low-scoring draw. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6506 "2023-12-21T12:28:58Z")
This is certainly a creative solution. and more than a bit concerning. > **[Ukraine war: Male citizens living abroad to be asked to join army](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67787173)** > > The defence minister says Kyiv is considering sanctions for those who do not comply. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6507 "2023-12-21T14:09:03Z")
Good luck with that. 👍 I doubt there’s any chance it will work. The very patriotic already returned to defend the homeland at the start of the war. Now it’s about territory. I’d return to fight if the heathen horde were 50km from granny’s house. I’m not going back and risk death to push the front forwards another 600km. The land is already Russian occupied and granny is probably living in a shelter in Kiev. My priority would be getting granny out of Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6508 "2023-12-21T14:32:46Z")
Been reading news reports about hantavirus spreading in the Russian trenches, wonder if Ukraine could do anything to…further encourage it. Re: the BBC article: yeah, good luck with that, this will probably only further incentivize those Ukrainian men to stay out of the war and also tell other refugees that when you leave Ukraine you better pull up _all_ roots. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6509 "2023-12-21T14:52:49Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > could do anything to…further encourage it. Which would be a form of prohibited biological warfare if they did. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6510 "2023-12-21T14:58:07Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > wonder if Ukraine could do anything to…further encourage it. This is a big part of the reason you were thread banned. Do not encourage war crimes, CBR attacks or go off on non-news related speculation of the ban will be back in place. Last modnote on this subject. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6511 "2023-12-21T15:12:44Z")
> **Hidden by WE?** > > > [@Broomstick](#): > > > > When my uncles signed up for WWII in December 1941 they didn’t come home until 1946. That’s a long time. I’m not saying that’s the way it should be done, but multi-year fighting in not unprecedented. Of course, prior experience is why we know it’s not really a good idea. > > I’d guess/hope that at least one big mental difference is that the Ukrainian troops are likely, at any given moment, no more than a few hundred miles from home, whereas the Americans in WWII were an entire Atlantic Ocean away. So even if it’s a long deployment, the feeling of being near home may make it more bearable. ---
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**And the thread ban is back that quick. First the encouragement of war crimes and then responding to part of the WWII hijack that was clearly modnoted.** ## @Velocity, do not post in the Russia invades Ukraine threads and do not appeal again. ---
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> [@Velocity](#): > > Been reading news reports about hantavirus spreading in the Russian trenches, Not even touching the bit about Ukraine doing anything to further this. I would just note, given what’s become apparent about Russia’s crappy logistics and general poor treatment of their cannon fodder, adding in what horrible conditions trench life usually generates, the question this raises for me is, how much will disease cripple the Russian efforts? It’s of course a risk for the Ukrainians, too, but hopefully they’re receiving better support and medical care. So, has there been any credible reporting on health conditions along the front for the troops, and how that’s affecting combat readiness? ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6516 "2023-12-21T17:40:12Z")
I wasn’t familiar with hantavirus, so I went and got summary information from Wikipedia. While reading one cite, I learned that there’s a current theory that the then-unknown hantavirus was behind a WWI trench illness called “trench nephritis”. > **[Orthohantavirus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthohantavirus)** > > Hantavirus > Orthohantavirus is a genus of single-stranded, enveloped, negative-sense RNA viruses in the family Hantaviridae within the order Bunyavirales. Members of this genus may be called orthohantaviruses or simply hantaviruses. > Orthohantaviruses typically cause chronic asymptomatic infection in rodents. Humans may become infected with hantaviruses through contact with rodent urine, saliva, or feces. Some strains cause potentially fatal diseases in humans, such as hantavirus hemorrhagic feve... > **[Trench nephritis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trench_nephritis)** > > Trench nephritis, also known as war nephritis, is a kidney infection, first recognised by medical officers as a new disease during the early part of the First World War and distinguished from the then-understood acute nephritis by also having bronchitis and frequent relapses. Trench nephritis was the major kidney problem of the war. The cause was not established at the time, treatments were ineffective, and the condition led to 35,000 British and 2,000 American casualties. > The term trench nephri... Hantavirus is spread by rodents and exposure to rodent droppings (including aerosolization of same 🤢 ). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=319) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=321)