# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 325
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6597 "2023-12-29T15:58:19Z")
You can’t possibly know their motivations or if those place have strategic value and it makes no sense that they’d waste resources like that ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6598 "2023-12-29T16:10:46Z")
An interesting article on the models of drone used by Russia and Ukraine thus far. I didn’t know the Russians had a special rifle for disrupting them. > **[How are 'kamikaze' drones being used by Russia and Ukraine?](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-62225830)** > > Russia is accused of using Iranian-made drones in repeated attacks on Ukraine's civilian population. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6599 "2023-12-29T17:17:39Z")
This might not be breaking news, but I was unaware how hard Russian authorities have cracked down on even exceedingly modest anti war gestures. Hope the US does not get “a dictator for a day”. > **[How the Russian Government Silences Wartime Dissent](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/12/29/world/europe/russia-ukraine-war-censorship.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Jk0.3c7R.rGmWMPwi25K5&hpgrp=c-abar&smid=url-share)** > > A law making it illegal to discredit Russia’s army has ensnared thousands of Russians for even mild acts or statements against the war. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6600 "2023-12-29T17:38:57Z")
I never heard of \*\*\*Imagine Dragons, a US pop band. But lets all 👏 for helping out a family in Ukraine. Would be nice for anyone with a Spotify account to play their music. You can always discreetly remove your ear buds or just turn down the volume while the music plays. 😉 \*\*\*I double checked, it’s Dragons they’re based in Las Vegas, Nevada. Music video that featured the Ukrainian teen is in the link. The video photography of the destroyed village is quite powerful. The music isn’t my normal taste but I did listen and tried to appreciate the message. > **[How Imagine Dragons' music video helped a 15-year-old kid rebuild his home; READ](https://www.pinkvilla.com/entertainment/hollywood/how-imagine-dragons-music-video-helped-a-15-year-old-kid-rebuild-his-home-read-1268289)** > > Pop Rock band Imagine Dragon’s humanitarian aid to help a 15-year-old boy rebuild his home is a story that no one should miss out. Read on to know the details! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6601 "2023-12-29T18:33:57Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I never heard of \*\*\*Imagine Dragons, a US pop band. Just for reference: their song “[Believer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0DM5lcj6mw)” gets sampled a lot for ads and other things so you may have heard that without knowing who it was. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6602 "2023-12-29T20:19:54Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > it makes no sense that they’d waste resources like that It’s Russia. This whole shit-show has made little sense since the beginning. Russia’s strategy has been abysmal. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6603 "2023-12-29T22:41:26Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > You say this all the time. It’s makes zero sense. Why do you think that anything is “retaliation” for a single act? That’s not how full blown war works. The answer to your question is Putin. He makes no sense. He has a long history of retaliating anybody and everything right down to individual murders. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6604 "2023-12-29T23:06:27Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > He has a long history of retaliating anybody and everything right down to individual murders. What?! That’s just utter nonsense. [Russians just have notoriously weak hearts and bad inner ear balance](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/28/europe/egorov-russia-dead-outside-house/index.html). It’s entirely genetic. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2023, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6605 "2023-12-30T00:43:11Z")
Poland accused Russia of sending missiles through Polish airspace. Russia says, ‘No, we didn’t. You have no proof!’ Would Poland be within its rights to shoot down any missiles that violate its airspace? I think it would. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2023, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6606 "2023-12-30T00:46:11Z")
It would. But Poland would also want to be mindful of where any stray rounds of their own land. Not that that issue should be a complete veto over Poland’s actions, but it should be a consideration. Lots of decisions are easier in a full scale war than in the hot peace of living next to an active war. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2023, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6607 "2023-12-30T02:25:37Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Just for reference: their song “[Believer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0DM5lcj6mw)” gets sampled a lot for ads and other things so you may have heard that without knowing who it was I’m impressed by their material. People in the creative arts can have a important voice against oppression and war. It’s one reason why they are often targeted in occupied areas. Putin’ s surrogate leaders know the potential impact of a protest song or video. A digital image of a painting can circulate and give hope to thousands. The war has inspired many Ukrainian artists. Posting three recent articles and then moving back to the blood and guts news about the war. It is reassuring to see Ukrainian culture will adapt and continue after this terrible war finally ends. > **[‘Art helps us imagine a future we wish to remember’: the photographer finding...](https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2023/dec/12/daoud-sarhandi-williams-ukraine-at-war-street-art-interview)** > > Six months after the war broke out in Ukraine, Daoud Sarhandi-Williams headed to Kyiv to photograph the city’s street art – and discovered images that capture the hopes and fears of a city > **[New art exhibition in Ukraine offers a range of perspectives on war, past and...](https://www.creativeboom.com/news/ukraine-exhibition/)** > > New art exhibition in Ukraine offers a range of perspectives on war, past and present > **[‘It’s a golden age’: poetry flourishes in Ukraine – but at a terrible price](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/29/golden-age-poetry-flourishes-in-ukraine-but-at-a-terrible-price)** > > Conflict has changed Ukrainian poetry, and readings are popular, but several poets have died or disappeared > [@](#): > > The experience of conflict has changed Ukrainian poets and their use of language. “It’s crisper, sharper and with the potential to turn toxic,” observed Oksana Maksymchuk, a poet and translator based in Chicago, [writing in an anthology](https://www.wordsforwar.com/new-page) of recent Ukrainian poetry called [Words for War](https://www.wordsforwar.com/borys-humenyuk-bio). > > xxx _short break_ xxx > Maksymchuk said Ukrainian poets had abandoned conventional Russian literary devices such as metre and alliteration. There was a new emphasis on storytelling and narrative, often expressed via the medium of free verse. Maksymchuk’s co-editor and fellow poet Max Rosochinsky said there was a move against embellishment and musicality in favour of plainer poems similar to diaries or memoirs. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2023, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6608 "2023-12-30T04:11:42Z")
Zelenskyy’s security detail having an interesting day, as he recorded his daily address to the nation in front of the Avdiivka sign, just a couple km from the hottest section of the front lines. That’s within range of FPV drones and conventional artillery. Not sure it’s actually smart to risk his life like that, but one certainly can’t question his personal courage. > ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2023, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6609 "2023-12-30T04:40:38Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > Zelenskyy’s security detail having an interesting day, as he recorded his daily address to the nation in front of the Avdiivka sign, just a couple km from the hottest section of the front lines. He’s brave, but he’s not idiotic. Notice the part about how it’s “recorded”? He was long gone out of there before his location was released. I mean, yeah, there was a chance that a Russian artillery shell would just happen to come in at that spot, but then, there’s a chance that a lucky missile will come through to whatever fortified spot in Kyiv he’s made his base of operations. You have to take some calculated risks. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2023, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6610 "2023-12-30T05:19:11Z")
Well sure, he didn’t announce his visit. But some non-zero number of people knew he was going there. One leak, the Russians find out, and he’s in extreme danger. Obviously he feels the morale gains are worth the risk. Certainly it’s a stark contrast with Putin. ---
**Author:** ![MikeF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MikeF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeF)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2023, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6611 "2023-12-30T13:49:40Z")
I’ve heard more than one expert say that there wasn’t enough time between the attack on the ship and the massive missile strikes for the Russian bombardment to have been planned. A decrease in bombing has been noticed up until this point and the speculation was that Russia was gearing up for big strikes against infrastructure and civilian targets with the hope of breaking morale during the winter. This may have been the first such attack that may have been sped up by the sinking or it could have been already in the cards. Makes sense to me. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2023, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6612 "2023-12-30T14:11:30Z")
> [@MikeF](#): > > I’ve heard more than one expert say that there wasn’t enough time between the attack on the ship and the massive missile strikes for the Russian bombardment to have been planned wasn’t there more than 24 hours of time? … and also - how much time does it take to fire missiles in an ongoing war into known target-coordinates (kiev) ??? … probably a couple of hours of lead-time (unit x get ready to implement what we have trained 100s of times in the past months, today at 1600h) > [@Askance](#): > > [US to provide Ukraine with up to $250m in arms and equipment | Ukraine | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/27/us-ukraine-military-aid-weapons?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other) aren’t any of the smarter artillery shells in the $100.000 range? … that is 8 of those per million … the UKR burns through that in prob. 2-3 days … sadly, the US-presidential elections are already impacting heavily the UKR theater … ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2023, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6613 "2023-12-30T14:38:32Z")
> [@Al128](#): > > … and also - how much time does it take to fire missiles in an ongoing war into known target-coordinates (kiev) ??? … probably a couple of hours of lead-time If they shot what is normally a week’s worth of ammo in that one raid, then it’ll take a week for them to build up that backstock of ammo before they can shoot it off. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2023, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6614 "2023-12-30T14:58:14Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Poland accused Russia of sending missiles through Polish airspace. Russia says, ‘No, we didn’t. You have no proof!’ Would Poland be within its rights to shoot down any missiles that violate its airspace? I think it would. Some missiles did enter Poland and U turned to catch Ukraine by surprise from the rear. Air Defense wouldn’t be setup to defend from Poland. Proof? It’s probably part of classified intel. I expect that NATO monitors Ukrainian airspace. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/BKkpvuJtUmU/maxresdefault.jpg "29 Dec: RUSSIANS GETTING REALLY COCKY. They’re Using NATO AIRSPACE. | War in Ukraine Explained") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKkpvuJtUmU) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2023, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6615 "2023-12-30T15:00:22Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Air Defense wouldn’t be setup to defend from Poland. But Poland should be set up to shoot down any threats from Russia. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2023, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6616 "2023-12-30T15:07:01Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > Well sure, he didn’t announce his visit. But some non-zero number of people knew he was going there. One leak, the Russians find out, and he’s in extreme danger. But then, if he’s got someone in his security team leaking to Russia, then that person could just shoot him with a pistol. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=324) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=326)