# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 328
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2024, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6657 "2024-01-04T23:36:47Z")
> [@Si\_Amigo](#): > > So, the country that launched Sputnik and stuck fear into the heart of the free world is now reduced to buying missiles from second-rate countries. That’s just pathetic. It must make for an interesting sales pitch when they’re at an arms convention. " Buy what we make so we can afford to buy what we use". ---
**Author:** ![The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stainless_steel_rat/32/5727_2.png) [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2024, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6658 "2024-01-04T23:37:42Z")
Russia and N. Korea do share a border (a very small one) and it does have a rail line crossing it, so I imagine that is where most of the shipping is done. IMHO as always. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2024, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6659 "2024-01-04T23:44:10Z")
> [@Askance](#): > > As we apparently have near-certainty that North Korea is shipping arms to Russia in violation of the sanctions Participation in a sanctions regime is generally voluntary, either directly (i.e. agreeing to join a sanctions program) or indirectly (i.e. being a signatory to a treaty which obliges one to honor the program). Unless I’ve seriously overlooked something, North Korea hasn’t agreed to levy sanctions on Russia, so whatever they’re doing can’t be a violation of an effort they’re not participating in. The US can design a sanctions regime and ask other countries to join, but they can’t impose compliance unilaterally. Which is not to say the US can’t try to punish them for being a bad actor. > **[US promises to punish North Korea and Iran for helping Russia with ballistic...](https://news.yahoo.com/us-promises-punish-north-korea-194239033.html)** > > The United States has been preparing additional sanctions against those involved in the transfer of military assistance, including ballistic missiles, to Russia from North Korea (DPRK) and Iran. Source: John Kirby, US National Security Council... It’s just not, I think, a matter of their having reneged on any kind of agreement. This may feel like a bit of semantic hair-splitting, but I don’t believe one can say North Korea is violating sanctions when it hasn’t agreed to honor them. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2024, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6660 "2024-01-05T00:03:52Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > I don’t believe one can say North Korea is violating sanctions when it hasn’t agreed to honor them. Pretty much. It’s much the same why no one is bombing [India for buying Russian oil on the cheap](https://carnegieendowment.org/2023/11/06/india-in-emerging-world-order-pub-90928). ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2024, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6661 "2024-01-05T01:51:32Z")
> [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](#): > > Russia and N. Korea do share a border (a very small one) and it does have a rail line crossing it, so I imagine that is where most of the shipping is done. Can’t find it now but in a recent news article on this there was a photo of a ship supposedly loaded with NK arms for Russia. That’s what I was thinking of. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stainless_steel_rat/32/5727_2.png) [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2024, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6662 "2024-01-05T03:09:27Z")
> [@Askance](#): > > Can’t find it now but in a recent news article on this there was a photo of a ship supposedly loaded with NK arms for Russia. That’s what I was thinking of. Looking at Google Maps (which I admit is not the greatest source), it looks like a ship could travel between the N. Korean port of Chongjin to the Russian port of Vladivostok while staying inside Russian/N. Korean territorial waters. I would imagine that the Russian Pacific fleet (such as it is), keeps a sharp eye on any armament shipments making the trip. Of course, that still leaves the cargo 6,000 miles (10,000km) from the front lines, so Russian transportation can add much time to the journey. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2024, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6663 "2024-01-05T03:47:25Z")
There’s confirmation that N Korea is selling ballistic missiles to Russia. But the US hasn’t said what they have. It seems like broken pieces of the missile’s wiring and engine would be very helpful. Bombs have been identified that way for a long time. > **[Ukraine war: US says Russia using North Korea ballistic missiles](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67888793)** > > The US promises to raise what it calls a significant and concerning escalation at the UN Security Council. > [@](#): > > The US has previously accused Pyongyang of supplying Russia with weapons, but this is the first time US intelligence has shared details about ballistic missiles - self-guided rockets that can reach targets 900km (500 miles) away. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2024, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6664 "2024-01-05T04:09:21Z")
> [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](#): > > Of course, that still leaves the cargo 6,000 miles (10,000km) from the front lines, so Russian transportation can add much time to the journey. A couple-three months ago, there were reports about explosions on the Trans-Siberian Railway. One was in a tunnel (collapsing it) and the other on a bridge on an alternate route around the tunnel. Supposedly the two combined to cut the overall line between eastern and western Russia. (Much speculation that Ukrainian operatives were responsible.) I haven’t heard more about this, so don’t know if they’ve found another way to ship the N Korean war materiel, but perhaps they have. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2024, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6665 "2024-01-05T22:11:56Z")
> **[Was Putin's top general Gerasimov killed in Crimea attack? What we know](https://www.newsweek.com/valery-gerasimov-dead-killed-crimea-attack-rumors-1858042)** > > Rumors swirled after Ukraine said Thursday that it struck a Russian military command post and a military unit in Crimea. Just rumors so far, as the more serious media aren’t mentioning it yet. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2024, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6666 "2024-01-06T00:04:07Z")
That rumour seems entirely unfounded. I don’t know the origin, but a less rigourous Ukraine news aggregator account (@Visegrad24) posted it as “breaking” and “unconfirmed”, with no source attributed. Then various NAFO shitposters started repeating it just in hopes of giving it legs. Probably hoping to make the Kremlin deny it, so they could trot out the “the Kremlin denied it, so it must be true” line. And in fact, the Kremlin has denied it, and NAFO are pretending to take that as evidence that he’s dead. ---
**Author:** ![Seanette](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/seanette/32/9139_2.png) [@Seanette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seanette)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2024, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6667 "2024-01-06T00:23:19Z")
NAFO? (stupid character limit making me add extraneous clutter) ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2024, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6668 "2024-01-06T00:38:20Z")
North Atlantic Fellas Organization, a grassroots pro-Ukraine movement on Twitter that swarm pro-Russian propaganda on Twitter with silly memes. I expect there’s a Wikipedia article about them. [Of course there is.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAFO_(group)) Probably has to be locked from editing most of the time to prevent NAFO members from adding tall tales about their exploits. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2024, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6669 "2024-01-08T05:01:04Z")
Ukraine better get busy with preparing ground support and air defense for these planes. I assume the maintenance crews are training in Denmark? Partisans are watching Russian troops in the occupied regions. That could be valuable intel for Ukraine The guardian live feed > [@](#): > > **Denmark’s transfer of 19 American-made F-16 fighter jets to [Ukraine](https://www.theguardian.com/world/ukraine) will take place in the second quarter of 2024, once Ukrainian pilots have completed training, the defence ministry has said.** The Danish ministry said in a statement: “Based on the current timetable, the donation should take place in the second quarter of 2024. It’s mainly an issue of finishing the training of Ukrainian personnel who will operate the planes.” > **[Ukraine war: Atesh, the group spying on Russians in occupied Crimea](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67659275)** > > Atesh, meaning fire in Crimean Tatar, says it collects data on Russian forces in occupied Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![Mikkel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikkel/32/13151_2.png) [@Mikkel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mikkel)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2024, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6670 "2024-01-08T07:23:59Z")
AFAIK there are 80 Ukrainians training in Denmark, 6 pilots and the rest support. ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2024, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6671 "2024-01-08T07:31:19Z")
> **[Russia must be held accountable over Ukraine – we should seize its assets |...](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/08/russia-ukraine-seize-assets-us-eu?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other)** > > After the EU and US failed to agree aid packages, we must send a clear message to regimes waging wars I didn’t realise this had not already been done … ! ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2024, 9:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6672 "2024-01-08T09:45:31Z")
Some assets have been seized, notably various yachts owned by Russian oligarchs. Perhaps there’s other assets still not seized. ---
**Author:** ![Kelevra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/97f17d/32.png) [@Kelevra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kelevra)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2024, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6673 "2024-01-08T14:47:22Z")
UK MOD says that Russia is losing about 300 more soldiers per day that they were a year ago. Likely because they are lower quality conscripts. > Also reports that Russia is restarting the organization SMERSH, which I totally thought was a James Bond contrivance! Apparently it was an organization started by Joseph Stalin which translates as “Death to spies”. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2024, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6674 "2024-01-08T14:47:32Z")
> [@Mikkel](#): > > AFAIK there are 80 Ukrainians training in Denmark, 6 pilots and the rest support That sounds about right. It takes a big team to keep F-16’s safely flying. Even rearming a jet takes several people and the right equipment to handle missiles. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/T5ZJhQBDim4/maxresdefault.jpg "F-16 Weapons Loading • Tyndall AFB") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5ZJhQBDim4) ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2024, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6675 "2024-01-08T23:58:02Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > Some assets have been seized, notably various yachts owned by Russian oligarchs. Perhaps there’s other assets still not seized. That article is mostly referring to monetary assets that have been frozen, AIUI. It is suggesting they be seized and given to Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2024, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6676 "2024-01-10T03:38:01Z")
I recall Ukraine pledged not to use HIMARS or long range missiles to strike inside Russia. They’ve been pretty effective using other weapons, like drones to strike deep inside Russia. The Guardian live feed > [@](#): > > ## Two drones hit fuel facility in Russian city of Oryol, governor says > > Two drones hit a fuel facility in the Russian city of **Oryol** , 230 miles south of Moscow and 137 miles from the Ukrainian border, the local governor has said. > > **Andrei Klychkov** said on Telegram that a fire at the complex caused by the drone attack had been contained. > > He posted on Tuesday morning: > > > During an attack by enemy UAVs on the facilities of the fuel and energy complex of the Oryol region, three people were injured and received moderate injuries. > > > > They are given the necessary help. Two refused hospitalisation. Emergency services are at the scene of the incident. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=327) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=329)