# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 339
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2024, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6886 "2024-02-17T16:54:30Z")
To paraphrase Tacitus: They made a desert and called it victory. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2024, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6887 "2024-02-17T23:45:29Z")
Unconfirmed but these reports have been reliable. “Feb 17 (Reuters) - Ukrainian forces shot down two Russian Su-34 fighter-bombers and one Su-35 fighter in the skies over eastern Ukraine on Saturday, the country’s air force chief said. “On the morning of February 17, 2024, in the eastern (sector), units of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine destroyed three enemy aircraft at once - two Su-34 fighter-bombers and one Su-35 fighter,” Mykola Oleshchuk wrote on Telegram.”" [https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-shoots-down-three-russian-warplanes-air-force-chief-says-2024-02-17/](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-shoots-down-three-russian-warplanes-air-force-chief-says-2024-02-17/) The Russians usually claim, “just damaged”. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2024, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6888 "2024-02-17T23:49:27Z")
The Russians confirmed at least one of the those, by posting a picture of the pilot with the SAR heli crew that picked him up. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6889 "2024-02-18T00:54:03Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > posting a picture of the pilot with the SAR heli crew that picked him up. Not losing the pilot is a moral and practical victory but the aircraft may be hard to replace. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6890 "2024-02-18T17:13:29Z")
The prime minister of Denmark has announced they will transfer all of their artillery and ammunition to Ukraine. All of it. > ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6891 "2024-02-18T18:20:15Z")
Wow. That is awesome. ---
**Author:** ![Mikkel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikkel/32/13151_2.png) [@Mikkel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mikkel)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6892 "2024-02-18T18:31:35Z")
Well, let’s hope someone else will help us, should it be necessary. Since article five is in doubt, I would have preferred to keep a bit of our own.☹ I don’t suppose it matters, though, our little country with a small army wouldn’t be able to stand against Russia with or without artillery. ---
**Author:** ![Mikkel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikkel/32/13151_2.png) [@Mikkel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mikkel)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6893 "2024-02-18T18:39:27Z")
Actually I wonder if it is true. None of the Danish news sites carry that news. ETA I was wrong: > **[»Jeg er ked af at sige det venner«: Mette Frederiksen i opsang til allierede](https://jyllands-posten.dk/politik/ECE16857390/mette-frederiksen-flere-vaaben-boer-doneres-til-ukraine-paa-aarsdag-for-krig/)** > > Mette Frederiksen mener, at Europa bør gøre mere for at hjælpe Ukraine, som har hårdt brug for våben. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6894 "2024-02-18T18:54:42Z")
Russian forces executed six Ukrainian troops captured after Avdiivja was retaken. > ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6895 "2024-02-20T00:54:14Z")
> **[The Russian pilot who defected to Ukraine with an Mi-8 helicopter was shot to...](https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-helicopter-pilot-who-defected-to-ukraine-shot-dead-spain-2024-2)** > > Russian pilot Maksym Kuzminov defected to Ukraine with a Mi-8 helicopter and urged other Russians to follow. He was found dead in Spain last week. > A spokesperson for Ukraine’s military intelligence confirmed the death of [Maksym Kuzminov](https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-pilot-defected-mi-8-helicopter-expalains-avoiding-detection-2023-9) to the [Kyiv Post](https://www.kyivpost.com/post/28305) but did not provide details. According to the outlet, Russian media reported Kuzminov had been found dead with at least five bullet wounds in an underground parking lot in southern Spain, near Alicante. ---
**Author:** ![Kelevra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/97f17d/32.png) [@Kelevra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kelevra)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6896 "2024-02-21T14:53:11Z")
Russians have reported a HIMARS strike on a formation of soldiers killed at least 65 and an unknown number of wounded. Apparently they were lined up waiting to be addressed by a general. Also killed a Colonel. It seems like they would have learned by now not stand in formation anywhere in Ukraine. > ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6897 "2024-02-21T15:26:16Z")
The Ukrainian air force has claimed another Su-34 downed today. That makes 7 Su-34 & Su-35 claimed in the last week. Some of these claims have been corroborated, but not all of them. > ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6898 "2024-02-21T15:47:56Z")
In other news, a Russian milblogger “Murz” who volunteered and fought for the Russian army back in the ‘little green men’ days in 2014, and who has been regularly posting on Telegram criticisms of how the war has been handled, has reportedly committed suicide. Just a day or two ago he had revealed the number of casualties the Russian army was internally admitting it had lost taking Avdiivka (16,000 “irretrievable” losses, meaning dead and injured seriously enough they’ll be discharged). This morning he posted that he had been forced to take down that post, and that he intended to kill himself. Murz had frequently been featured on the War Translated channel on Twitter, often complaining in particular about how units from the so-called Donetsk and Luhansk Republic were treated by the regular Russian forces. There is as of yet no report on how many times he shot himself in the back. > **[Russian war reporter who revealed huge Avdiivka troop losses dies](https://www.newsweek.com/andrei-morozov-murz-dies-suicide-avdiivka-losses-1871868)** > > Andrei "Murz" Morozov, a soldier and military blogger, is reported to have taken his own life. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6899 "2024-02-21T19:56:49Z")
This was pretty cool: > **[Russian Troops Left Their Warehouse Doors Open. Ukrainian Drones Flew Right...](https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/02/20/russian-troops-left-their-warehouse-doors-open-ukrainian-drones-flew-right-inside-and-blew-up-a-bunch-of-armored-vehicles/?sh=517c45d65666)** > > The cost of the strike to the Ukrainians? Just $5,000, according to Censor. Article includes video of open-doored warehouses as seen by several FPV drones that flew in and blew up various vehicles inside. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6900 "2024-02-21T20:22:53Z")
The ‘low battery’ and ‘land now’ warnings added to the excitement. ---
**Author:** ![Raza](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raza/32/213_2.png) [@Raza](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raza)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6901 "2024-02-21T20:32:50Z")
This must be pretty high on the “ease vs value of targets destroyed” scale. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6902 "2024-02-21T21:17:35Z")
It also points out something very operationally interesting: those FPV drones were operating at the ragged edge of their range. The article even speculates that they were operating beyond their normal remote control range, which is why the Russians felt secure leaving the warehouses open like that (beyond simple laziness and complacency). But there have been rumors that the Ukranians have some kind of remotely piloted relay drone that extends the controllable range of the weapon drones. > The implication is that the Ukrainians extended the range of their first-person quadcopters, possibly by flying them in a long formation with a larger “repeater” drone that captured, and rebroadcast, the FPVs’ command signals. With the help of a repeater drone, an FPV might range more than 10 miles. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6903 "2024-02-21T21:44:15Z")
95% or more of Ukrainian drone videos feature low battery warnings. ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6904 "2024-02-21T22:06:02Z")
Might as well get full use out of the battery. It ain’t getting used again ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6905 "2024-02-21T22:06:11Z")
Never noticed it before. (But then, I watch fairly few of the videos.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=338) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=340)