# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 340
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6906 "2024-02-21T22:34:16Z")
I’ve never seen “LAND NOW” before, but I haven’t seen every FPV attack video in existence either. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6907 "2024-02-21T23:02:11Z")
If I had a specific target I’d chosen, and drones with a specific range, I’d launch from near the outer limit of that range, too, because any decent soldier wants to be as far from the exciting part as possible. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2024, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6908 "2024-02-22T01:36:57Z")
Obviously not a factor here, there come a point where it doesn’t matter anymore. The drone operators at [Creech AFB](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creech_Air_Force_Base) don’t move to the back side of the base. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2024, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6909 "2024-02-22T01:49:00Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > Just a day or two ago he had revealed the number of casualties the Russian army was internally admitting it had lost taking Avdiivka (16,000 “irretrievable” losses, meaning dead and injured seriously enough they’ll be discharged). Wow. One single campaign. As compared with 15,000 killed in the TEN YEARS of the Afghanistan Russian war. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2024, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6910 "2024-02-22T02:43:24Z")
Thing is, that’s the number the army is admitting to itself that it lost. Given the way in which reports are systematically falsified in the Russian army, the true number will be significantly higher. In the same post, Murz reported something like 170 armoured vehicles lost, while there are something like 300 visually confirmed losses reported by those who track such things. And I saw a report that one Russian officer had said on Telegram that the losses in Avdiivka were higher than the losses in Bahkmut. Truly, a victory worthy of Pyrrhus of Epirus. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2024, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6911 "2024-02-22T11:17:32Z")
> [@Raza](#): > > This must be pretty high on the “ease vs value of targets destroyed” scale. The article laments the fact that the use of drones likely means that Ukraine couldn’t spare the heavy weaponry required to simply level the entire site. But a single JDAM glide bomb costs tens of thousands of dollars, and these guys completed the mission for a few thousand bucks’ worth of drones. The drones give you more bang for your buck (or I guess the same bang for less bucks) - so on any occasion when drones could get the job done, why would anyone throw more expensive hardware at a target? ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2024, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6912 "2024-02-22T15:03:40Z")
Left unsaid is how many drone attacks are needed to complete one successfully. For all we know, they are launching dozens of these each day, and get lucky once a week. Heavy weaponry probably has a much higher success rate. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2024, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6913 "2024-02-22T16:37:10Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > The drones give you more bang for your buck (or I guess the same bang for less bucks) - so on any occasion when drones could get the job done, why would anyone throw more expensive hardware at a target? Plus, the drones inherently give you pretty good Bomb Damage Assessment capabilities. We can see from the later drones that the earlier ones really did blow up the vehicles, and then the longer-ranged drones give you a nice overview of the building going up in flames. No need to speculate about what you hit, it’s all right there. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2024, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6914 "2024-02-22T16:51:11Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > We can see from the later drones that the earlier ones really did blow up the vehicles, It was kind of amusing. The view from an FPV kill drone looking for (but not finding) something to kill. Reminded me of one of my cats showing up late to the feeding plate. The disappointment was palpable. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2024, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6915 "2024-02-22T16:54:31Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > The view from an FPV kill drone looking for (but not finding) something to kill. Reminded me of one of my cats showing up late to the feeding plate. The disappointment was palpable. I was thinking that watching the drone footage of the ships that got sunk not too long ago. First drone gets a hit, you can see the explosion in the second drone’s video. Second drone gets close, and sees the big-assed dent in the side of the ship the first drone made, and says, “Hell, yeah, let’s aim for the hole!” Third drone gets close, to see the ship’s bow pointing almost straight up. “Oh, yeah, I guess we got it…” ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6916 "2024-02-23T00:04:28Z")
> [@Folly](#): > > Might as well get full use out of the battery. It ain’t getting used again They probably become unstable and are a risk of catching fire. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6917 "2024-02-23T02:10:21Z")
I just want to know where I can find that Ukrainian cover of “Zombie.” ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6918 "2024-02-23T02:23:39Z")
[Grandma’s Smuzi](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=grandma%27s+smuzi%2C+zombie#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:f09c5958,vid:fSrO3f6MBIc,st:0) ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6919 "2024-02-23T02:37:40Z")
Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6920 "2024-02-23T02:49:20Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > Third drone gets close, to see the ship’s bow pointing almost straight up. “Oh, yeah, I guess we got it…” “Manny, I don’t think we should hit that mountain any more.” “Why not, Mike?” “Because it’s not there any more.” ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6921 "2024-02-23T02:57:34Z")
Good one. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6922 "2024-02-23T04:20:37Z")
I’ve always hoped that somehow Mike would wake up again some day. As to drones, I’ve seen at least one appeal for funds from a civilian group claiming to be making drones for the Ukrainians. How legit are things like that? ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6923 "2024-02-23T04:52:54Z")
I understood that reference /SteveRogers. ---
**Author:** ![Kelevra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/97f17d/32.png) [@Kelevra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kelevra)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6924 "2024-02-23T14:58:57Z")
First video I’ve seen of an M1 Abrams tank in action. The clip is brief and doesn’t show much but it’s new to me so I figured I’d share. > ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6925 "2024-02-23T23:27:38Z")
Another A-50 Mainstay Russian AWACS/Commo plane bites the dust. Ukrainian or friendly fire, still dead, still good. > **[Another One Of Russia's Prized A-50 Radar Planes Shot Down, Ukraine Claims](https://www.twz.com/air/another-one-of-russias-prized-a-50-radar-planes-shot-down-ukraine-claims)** > > Officials in Kyiv are claiming the A-50 was the victim of a joint Ukrainian Air Force and Intelligence operation near the Sea of Azov. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=339) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=341)