# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 342
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2024, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6946 "2024-02-28T22:17:16Z")
There’s a part of me that hopes that the allies are no longer announcing the donated military aid and Ukrainian capability is being expanded on the sly. But I severely doubt it. I hope there’s much less posturing around Ukrainian support. Firstly, voters in most of Europe especially are assured that their governments are taking this seriously so there’s less incentive to announce everything. Secondly, I think there’s a much deeper focus on the implications of a Russian victory. Announcing every delivery is counter productive as it gives Russia an opportunity to form a more informed strategy. Leaders are now more focused on ensuring effective support that’s a bit less performative I think this only applies to Europe though. And even then it’s probably wishful thinking… ---
**Author:** ![Kelevra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/97f17d/32.png) [@Kelevra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kelevra)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6947 "2024-02-29T15:21:23Z")
Looks like 3 more Russian planes were shot down today for a total of 13 in 12 days. Ukraine is saying the Russians are trying to strike deeper which means they have to fly closer to air defense. The recent success of Russian operations is coming at a serious price. They can build tanks and conscript soldiers but planes and pilots are a different story. > ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6948 "2024-02-29T21:35:11Z")
Decent analysis here: > **[Shooting Down 11 Jets In 11 Days, Ukraine Nudges The Russian Air Force Closer...](https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/02/29/shooting-down-11-russian-jets-in-11-days-ukraine-nudges-the-russian-air-force-closer-to-an-organizational-death-spiral/?sh=74b3e86214bc)** > > The Russian air force lost another Sukhoi Su-34 fighter-bomber on Thursday, the Ukrainian air force claimed. Its seventh in 11 days. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6949 "2024-02-29T23:52:34Z")
It does seem that things are slowly ratcheting up: > **[Finland does not forbid Ukraine to use its weapons for strikes on Russian...](https://news.liga.net/en/politics/news/finlyandiya-ne-zapreshtaet-ukraine-primenyat-ee-oruzhie-dlya-udarov-po-territorii-rossii-yle)** > > The Ministry of Defense informed Yle that Finland did not impose any restrictions on the use of materiel sent to Ukraine > **[Macron stands by remarks about sending troops to Ukraine](https://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macron-ukraine-western-troops-remarks/)** > > French president has faced a barrage of criticism, but said his comments were “weighed, thought through and measured.” > **[Under the right conditions, Canada open to sending noncombat troops to...](https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/under-the-right-conditions-canada-open-to-sending-noncombat-troops-to-ukraine-defence-minister-bill/article_eec6806c-d71d-11ee-91fb-ab92d0af803e.html)** > > In an interview with the Star, Blair said the idea was discussed this week in Paris but Russian President Vladimir Putin has warned of “tragic” consequences for countries that send > **[Putin threatens NATO with nuclear strike if it sends troops to Ukraine](https://www.politico.eu/article/vladimir-putin-new-speech-ukraine-war-transnistria-nato/)** > > Russian president delivers ominous warning to the West about “destruction of civilization.” > **[European Parliament approves resolution to support Ukraine with weapons until...](https://news.yahoo.com/european-parliament-approves-resolution-support-125932859.html)** > > The European Parliament has adopted a resolution calling on EU states to support Ukraine with weapons in the necessary volumes "until victory". Source: European Pravda with reference to the European Parliament 451 MEPs voted in favour, 46 voted... ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2024, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6950 "2024-03-01T00:49:50Z")
> [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](#): > > [Putin threatens NATO with nuclear strike if it sends troops to Ukraine – POLITICO](https://www.politico.eu/article/vladimir-putin-new-speech-ukraine-war-transnistria-nato/) Y’know, the more often Putin says this, the more I begin to suspect that Russia actually has 0 operational nuclear-delivery systems… How many times has he threatened to nuke the West, in the past two years? ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2024, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6951 "2024-03-01T01:33:22Z")
More than he should have. But yeah, the problem with crying “wolf” too often is that nobody believes you. The second problem is then you have to demonstrate your resolve by actually doing it. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2024, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6952 "2024-03-01T02:04:18Z")
It’s like waving an unloaded gun, or even one with Barney Fife’s one bullet in it. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2024, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6953 "2024-03-01T02:18:01Z")
From a link above: "But he did say that Russian “scientists and gunsmiths” are working on a new set of “advanced weapon systems.” So the question is: are there enough washing machines to supply chips for his future weapons program. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2024, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6954 "2024-03-01T15:24:45Z")
Prime Minister Mark Rutte even visited Kharkiv. That’s only 18 miles from the Russian border The article covers the Netherlands strong support for Ukraine. That includes pledging 24 F-16’s. > **[Rutte signs Dutch-Ukrainian long-term security agreement in Kharkiv](https://kyivindependent.com/rutte-signs-dutch-ukrainian-security-agreement/)** > > President Volodymyr Zelensky and Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte signed a 10-year agreement on security cooperation between Ukraine and the Netherlands in Kharkiv, Zelensky announced on March 1. > [@](#): > > “The document includes 2 billion euros in military aid from the Netherlands this year, as well as further defense assistance over the next ten years,” Zelensky said. > > “It also prioritizes the provision of air defense, artillery, sea, and long-range capabilities, with a particular emphasis on strengthening Ukraine’s air force.” > > The Netherlands joins the U.K., Germany, France, Denmark, Italy, and Canada, which have signed [similar deals](https://kyivindependent.com/italy-canada-sign-security-guarantee-agreement-with-ukraine/) to help Ukraine repel Russia’s aggression based on a pledge made by the Group of Seven (G7) last July. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2024, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6955 "2024-03-01T22:22:24Z")
Massive respect to the brave Russians chanting anti-war and anti-Putin slogans in Moscow at Navalny’s funeral today. The mourners included Australia’s Russian ambassador which I bet irritated a few in the Kremlin. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2024, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6956 "2024-03-03T17:30:10Z")
UK Defence Intelligence update: [![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHva7KXWUAAXCXa?format=jpg&name=medium) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHva7KXWUAAXCXa?format=jpg&name=medium) ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2024, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6957 "2024-03-03T18:23:23Z")
Heh, and Perun’s video this week cited the Estonian MoD saying that if Ukraine could inflict 50K Russian casualties every six months, they’d be able to “consistently degrade the quality of Russian forces”. Seems like they’re out-doing that by a considerable margin. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2024, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6958 "2024-03-03T22:03:56Z")
All the UK Defence Intelligence estimates on a graph [![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHvbxFsWMAEJPGU?format=png&name=medium) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHvbxFsWMAEJPGU?format=png&name=medium) ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2024, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6959 "2024-03-03T22:19:23Z")
Kudos to Europe. And a pox upon the US Republicans in Congress. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2024, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6960 "2024-03-03T22:42:37Z")
**Moderating** : Keep the politics out of the Breaking news thread. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2024, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6961 "2024-03-03T23:36:30Z")
Apologies. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2024, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6962 "2024-03-04T02:57:10Z")
I wonder whether part of the higher per-month casualties trend over the course of the war is due to the best of the Russian units being obliterated in the first year and poorly trained recruits hastily thrown into battle to fill the depleted ranks? ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2024, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6963 "2024-03-04T03:46:11Z")
While that doesn’t help, it’s more that the Russians are, seemingly more and more as time progresses, making large numbers of poorly coordinated, infantry-heavy advances into Ukrainian fortifications. These advances will have very high casualty rates regardless of how well trained the soldiers are. And the reason they are doing this is that they are (kinda) working. That’s how they took Soledar and Bakhmut, and that’s how they took Avdiivka. That these advances came at ruinous cost doesn’t seem to deter Russian command. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2024, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6964 "2024-03-04T04:09:52Z")
It’s WWII all over again. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2024, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/6965 "2024-03-04T05:33:01Z")
The human cost for each kilometer gained is more like WWI than WWII. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=341) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=343)