# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 347
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2024, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7046 "2024-03-22T23:01:53Z")
> [@scabpicker](#): > > Islamic State may be claiming responsibility. Why would Islamic State attack Russia? (Not questioning you, just trying to understand this development) ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2024, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7047 "2024-03-22T23:06:58Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Why would Islamic State attack Russia? (Not questioning you, just trying to understand this development) Islamic militants have attacked Russian civilians before. There was a previous attack, also against a theater or concert hall IIRC, that resulted in numerous deaths when nerve gas was used by the responding police. For obvious reasons finding a link to that incident is difficult at the moment. Presumably their calculation is that Russia won’t respond in force due to being tied down in Ukraine. And my guess is that they would be right to make that gamble. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2024, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7048 "2024-03-22T23:39:15Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > There was a previous attack, also against a theater or concert hall IIRC, that resulted in numerous deaths when nerve gas was used by the responding police. For obvious reasons finding a link to that incident is difficult at the moment. > **[Moscow theater hostage crisis](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis)** > > Crisis ended > Russia > The Moscow theater hostage crisis (also known as the 2002 Nord-Ost siege) was the seizure of the crowded Dubrovka Theater by Chechen terrorists on 23 October 2002, which involved 850 hostages and ended with Russian security services killing or causing the death of 172 people. The attackers, led by Movsar Barayev, claimed allegiance to the Islamist separatist movement in Chechnya. They demanded the withdrawal of Russian forces from Chechnya and an end to the Second Chech... ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2024, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7049 "2024-03-23T00:42:43Z")
> **[Putin dismissed US warnings about a potential terror incident as 'blackmail'...](https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-dismissed-us-warnings-days-before-moscow-concert-hall-attack-2024-3)** > > The US embassy in Russia issued a security alert earlier this month warning that a possible terror attack was imminent. Not a surprize, the us warned Russia about a possible attack. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2024, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7050 "2024-03-23T01:10:16Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Why would Islamic State attack Russia? ISIS has been fighting Russia since Russia intervened in Syria. Russia’s methods there are even more brutal than in Ukraine. The Russian embassy in Kabul was attacked by an ISIS-K suicide bomber in 2022. Yes, ISIS is running rampant in Afghanistan. ISIS essentially declred war on Russia in 2014, and has declared that any Russian assets anywhere are a target. Have a look at Aleppo in Syria for one of the reasons why. Some good background from 2022: > **[Russia's ISIS-K problem intensifies after Kabul embassy bombing](https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Terrorism/Russia-s-ISIS-K-problem-intensifies-after-Kabul-embassy-bombing)** > > As militants undermine Taliban, experts see rising threat to Moscow in Central Asia ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2024, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7051 "2024-03-23T01:15:50Z")
Tomorrow it may look different, but Moscow now seems to be [blaming the wrong party](https://meduza.io/en/live/2024/03/22/terrorist-attack-at-concert-hall-outside-moscow) in order to cement internal support for the war with Ukraine: > [@](#): > > Russian TV airs fake video in which Ukrainian security official claims responsibility for Moscow terrorist attack. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2024, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7052 "2024-03-23T01:31:14Z")
Why is it not a surprise ? ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2024, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7053 "2024-03-23T01:33:37Z")
There was warning. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2024, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7054 "2024-03-23T01:37:15Z")
Ahh I misunderstood, I thought you were saying “it is not surprising that the US issued a warning” rather than “ the event is not a surprise because the US issued a warning” ---
**Author:** ![FrenchDunadan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frenchdunadan/32/5449_2.png) [@FrenchDunadan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FrenchDunadan)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2024, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7055 "2024-03-23T14:10:47Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Why would Islamic State attack Russia? And the IS-khorasan that claimed the attack is based in the Iran/Afghanistan/Tadjikistan region and formed of former talibans, disgruntled Iranians and Tadjiks extremists. They are Sunnites and so opposed to the Shiites of Iran…Putin support the Shiites so Russia is a target to them. Putin seems to want to neglect the IS and concentrate on Ukraine. Further claims (and proofs) from IS may render this tactic null. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2024, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7056 "2024-03-23T20:03:38Z")
I expect Putin to fabricate a link to the attack and Ukraine. He can’t resist building support for his war. I think He will have to strike ISIS too. That’s going to stretch his resources if it widens a conflict. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2024, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7057 "2024-03-24T02:32:13Z")
I’m trying to imagine putin saying with a straight face that he won’t tolerate an attack on civilians. If there was just a way to get his pants to catch fire. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2024, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7058 "2024-03-24T03:30:55Z")
To all, remember, #breaking-news thread. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2024, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7059 "2024-03-24T14:26:20Z")
Ukraine says that they’ve destroyed two landing ships. Russia has also fired drones and missiles, one of which entered Poland for a few seconds. > **[Ukraine war: Two Russian landing ships hit off Crimea, officials say](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68648815)** > > A large number of missiles targeted Kyiv early on Sunday as Russia stepped up attacks against Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7060 "2024-03-26T01:32:47Z")
worrysome from [Ukraine Conflict Updates | Institute for the Study of War](https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/ukraine-conflict-updates) - a source I hold in high regard: (march 20th) **Several Russian financial, economic, and military indicators suggest that Russia is preparing for a large-scale conventional conflict with NATO, not imminently but likely on a shorter timeline than what some Western analysts have initially posited.** Polish President Andrzej Duda emphasized in a March 20 interview with _CNBC_ that Putin is intensifying efforts to shift Russia to a war economy with the intention of being able to attack NATO as early as 2026 or 2027, citing unspecified German research.[7] Danish Defense Minister Troels Lund Poulsen stated on February 9 that new intelligence indicates that Russia may attempt to attack a NATO country within three to five years, an accelerated timeline from NATO’s reported assessment in 2023. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7061 "2024-03-26T02:03:04Z")
A conventional war with NATO makes no sense whatsoever. We’d squish them like a bug. Nuclear war with NATO makes at least an insane sort of sense, but conventional war doesn’t even make that. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7062 "2024-03-26T02:08:16Z")
I can think of a situation where NATO would not squish Russia like a bug, but since that’s not breaking news I shan’t elaborate. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7063 "2024-03-26T04:33:06Z")
EU stepping up through Czech initiative. Guardian feed > [@](#): > > - **Ukraine has received 500,000 artillery** > **shells from the EU** and the **rest of the promised million will be delivered by the end of the year** , according to the EU foreign policy chief, Josep Borrell. “Additionally the European defence industry is also providing to Ukraine 400,000 shells through commercial contracts. The Czech initiative to buy ammunition outside the EU comes in addition to these efforts. However, it is far from being enough and we have to increase both our capacity of production and the financial resources devoted to support Ukraine.” > - **Iceland has announced it is joining the Czech initiative** , which is aiming to **deliver at least 800,000 shells** sourced from around the world, in addition to the EU commitments. > - By this summer, the EU would have also **trained 60,000 Ukrainian soldiers** , Borrell said ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7064 "2024-03-26T17:19:08Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > but since that’s not breaking news I shan’t elaborate. [There’s a thread for that.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-the-regional-situation/995349)😉 ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7065 "2024-03-26T19:29:30Z")
I assume this will be picked up by overseas channels if it hasn’t already, but it is a real eye-opener; > **[Ukraine: Enemy in the Woods shows the chaos of war with unprecedented intimacy](https://inews.co.uk/culture/television/ukraine-enemy-in-the-woods-review-2973307)** > > Director Jamie Roberts's film is an unflinching look at one of the many battles raging daily across the eastern front [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=346) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=348)