# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 348
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2024, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7066 "2024-03-30T15:53:28Z")
Another lost Russian SU-35. Guardian live feed > [@](#): > > **A Russian SU-35 Flanker fighter jet has crashed into the sea off Sevastopol, Crimea**. Footage online showed a jet on fire, spiralling into the sea and exploding. The Russian-installed governor of the illegally occupied region, Mikhail Razvozhayev, said on Thursday the pilot ejected and was picked up by rescuers but gave no details as to the cause of the crash. Maria Avdeeva, a Ukrainian security expert, [claimed](https://twitter.com/maria_avdv/status/1773378062748352524) that it had been shot down, while other pro-Ukraine Telegram channels speculated that the cause was friendly fire. Ukrainian officials have not commented on the claims, which cannot be independently verified. The region has come under frequent Ukrainian attack during the two-year conflict. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/XLXauiCAkvA/maxresdefault.jpg "Russian jet crashes into the Crimean port of Sevastopol") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLXauiCAkvA) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2024, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7067 "2024-03-30T16:23:41Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Maria Avdeeva, a Ukrainian security expert, [claimed](https://twitter.com/maria_avdv/status/1773378062748352524) that it had been shot down, while other pro-Ukraine Telegram channels speculated that the cause was friendly fire. Technically those claims are not in conflict. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2024, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7068 "2024-03-30T19:13:00Z")
[Reuters March 28, 2024 — 07:45 am EDT](https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/belarus-has-agreed-to-help-russia-with-gasoline-supply-lawmaker-says) **Belarus has agreed to help Russia with gasoline supply, lawmaker says** MOSCOW, March 28 (Reuters) - Russian senior lawmaker Pavel Zavalny, the head of parliament’s energy committee, said on Thursday that Belarus has agreed to help Russia with gasoline supply. - Industry and trade sources told Reuters on Wednesday that Russia had increased gasoline imports from neighbouring Belarus in March to tackle the risk of shortages in its domestic market because of unscheduled repairs at Russian refineries after drone attacks. - Zavalny told reporters that supplies might reach between 100,000 metric tons and 150,000 tons a month (24,000 barrels to 36,000 barrels per day). - Usually Russia is a net exporter of fuel and a supplier to international markets, but the disruption of Russian refining has forced oil companies to import. - This year, Russia has again increased gasoline imports from Belarus and in the first half of March they reached almost 3,000 tons, according to sources familiar with the statistics. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2024, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7069 "2024-03-31T01:10:59Z")
So instead of bringing in foreign money from oil exports the Russians will have to pay out for fuel. How long can they keep juggling all the balls of domestic economy, balance of payments, and war demands before one or more of the balls goes sideways? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2024, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7070 "2024-03-31T01:37:17Z")
It’s about time. I was beginning to wonder if Russia’s cold war inventory was bottomless. > **[Russia 'struggling with supply of weapons and ammunition' for Ukraine war -...](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68364924)** > > Reports of Russian shortages come as concerns over the provision of Western weapons to Ukraine mount. > [@](#): > > “Russia’s domestic ammunition production capabilities are currently insufficient for meeting the needs of the Ukraine conflict,” a Western official claimed, saying Moscow has been able to increase its supply only by seeking out alternative sources of ammunition and weapons, which does not offer a long-term solution. > > They pointed to the impact of sanctions as one cause. > > “Sanctions are hitting the Russian military industrial complex hard, causing severe delays and increasing costs. An inability to access Western components is severely undermining Russia’s production of new systems and repairs of old systems, with long-term consequences for the quality of weapons produced,” they said. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2024, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7071 "2024-03-31T16:43:37Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > So instead of bringing in foreign money from oil exports the Russians will have to pay out for fuel. You can export a hell of a lot of crude and import all your gasoline and still make a net balance of payments gain. Provided your crude production / export volume holds up. Which is where Russia is now. If the West would get serious about stopping all petroleum trade between Russia and anyone siding with Russia, they’d have folded a year+ ago. Sadly the West lacks the willingness to pay the economic and diplomatic price of enforcing a planetwide economic blockade on Russian petroleum. You’re certainly correct that Russia needing to import finished petroleum products is harmful to their cause and their economy. But until / unless we choke off the other side of the equation they (or at least their war effort) will get along OK. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2024, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7072 "2024-03-31T22:06:12Z")
Withdrawn, probably a hijack. ---
**Author:** ![Kelevra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/97f17d/32.png) [@Kelevra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kelevra)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2024, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7073 "2024-04-01T15:16:06Z")
Supposedly Ukraine aid will be up for the US House of Reps when they come back from recess. This ridiculous delay is costing Ukraine lives. > ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7074 "2024-04-02T12:44:17Z")
800 miles inside Russia! The range of drones keeps improving. > **[Ukrainian drone attacks target oil refinery and factory deep inside Russia](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/ukrainian-drone-attacks-russia-tatarstan-oil-refinery-factory)** > > Attacks more than 800 miles from border are first in Tatarstan region since beginning of war > [@](#): > > In Yelabuga, two drones appeared to target a facility established for the assembly of Shahed drones. Russia had recruited students to help assemble the drones, according to independent Russian media reports. > > Several people were injured in the attacks against the drone factory, Minnikhanov said. It was not immediately clear if they were workers involved with drone production. > > Video posted online showed a fixed-wing aircraft diving toward the factory grounds in Yelabuga and setting off a large explosion as it slammed into one of the buildings. Onlookers, including police officers, could be seen diving to the ground as debris was thrown in the air. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7075 "2024-04-02T14:17:47Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > 800 miles inside Russia! The range of drones keeps improving. > > [Ukrainian drone attacks target oil refinery and factory deep inside Russia | Ukraine | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/ukrainian-drone-attacks-russia-tatarstan-oil-refinery-factory) Fixed-wing drones are less maneuverable than quadcopters (and can’t hover), but the tradeoff is that you can design them for high speed or long range, same as we do for full-size fighter jets and gliders. So if your long-range drone is based on a glider design (long wings with a short chord, and modest air speed), you can get good range with a small motor and modest energy reserves. The US military’s MQ-1 Predator has similar design features, and based on cruise speed (80 MPH) and endurance (24 hrs), it could handle a one-way flight of almost 2000 miles (although not particularly cost-effective to sacrifice one of these in a kamikaze attack). > **[General Atomics MQ-1 Predator | Specifications](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Atomics_MQ-1_Predator#Specifications)** > > Data from USAF MQ-1B fact sheet General characteristics > 1.Crew: 0, 3 on ground out of theater, (remote pilot, sensor operator, and intelligence analyst), with in-theater ground handling crew | > 2.Length: 27 ft 0 in (8.23 m) | > 3.Wingspan: 48 ft 7 in (14.8 m) ::::MQ-1B Block 10/15: 55.2 ft (16.84 m) | > 4.Height: 6 ft 11 in (2.1 m) | > 5.Wing area: 123.3 sq ft (11.45 m2) | > 6.Aspect ratio: 19 | > 7.Empty weight: 1,130 lb (513 kg) | > 8.Gross weight: 2,249 lb (1,020 kg) | > 9.Fuel capacity: 851 lb (38... I wonder how big the fixed-wing drone was that Ukraine used in this attack. It’s hard to tell from the video in your article whether that was just a full-sized general aviation plane that they converted, or just a large RC model plane (i.e. something with a 4- or 5-meter wingspan). ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7076 "2024-04-02T16:47:35Z")
5 posts were split to a new topic: [Danger of Drones on US hijack from Ukraine Invasion thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/danger-of-drones-on-us-hijack-from-ukraine-invasion-thread/999743) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7078 "2024-04-02T14:41:40Z")
Might want to check out how many Canadians live within 100 miles of the US border first… Sorry - back of topic: what’s more interesting isn’t that Ukraine can strike that deeply into Russia, but that Russia can’t seem to stop them from doing it. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7079 "2024-04-02T15:03:58Z")
> [@Danger of Drones on US hijack from Ukraine Invasion thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/danger-of-drones-on-us-hijack-from-ukraine-invasion-thread/999743/1): > > And we have neither sea nor air defenses against such attacks. Well, in the video of the most recent attack, it looks like a light GA aircraft was modified to be unmanned. We’ve got lots that could protect against that, but I doubt we are watching for it. > **[Video appears to show Ukrainian aircraft striking building in Russia's...](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68712255)** > > The attack is the deepest into Russian territory since the start of the war. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7080 "2024-04-02T15:54:58Z")
800 miles is a long way for a GA aircraft – at least for something like a Skyhawk. But if the drone was something like a [Flight Design CT](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_Design_CT), which it resembles and comes from Germany, that aircraft is claimed to have a 1,200 mile range. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7084 "2024-04-02T16:41:38Z")
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**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7085 "2024-04-02T16:45:26Z")
And from a news item we went into a full scale hijack. Well done all. @Sam_Stone why am I not surprised you’re not even vaguely talking about the war here. I allowed a small bit and off we went. Drop the non-Ukraine drone stuff now. @LSLGuy, please be careful. minor observations are used for jumping off points for hijacks all the time. I’ll move this mess to #In My Humble Opinion I guess. _The move caused some issues, this was @Sam_Stone:_ Considering how many warnings and modnotes you’ve generated for hijacks, this is an **official warning** and I’m bumping this up to the modloop. You can’t seem to help yourself with hijacks. You see something in a thread you want to respond to and even though you’ve been warned far too often, you make a hijacking post. It has happened too often and you just don’t appear to be getting any better. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7086 "2024-04-02T16:47:52Z")
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**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7087 "2024-04-02T17:14:49Z")
That one is all on me. As Agent 86 was wont to say at least once per episode: > Sorry 'bout that, Chief! Thanks for the split new topic; we’ll / I’ll take up residency there. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7089 "2024-04-02T18:24:34Z")
A small side note about the drone attack on Russia-I hope those students that were “recruited” ( or maybe knew what they were doing) are all right. They’re just civilians. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2024, 10:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7090 "2024-04-03T10:44:53Z")
Forbes is saying it was a modified “Cessna-style light plane”: > **[Ukraine Packed A Cessna-Style Plane With Explosives, Added Remote Controls...](https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/04/02/ukraine-packed-a-cessna-style-plane-with-explosives-added-remote-controls-and-kamikazed-it-into-a-russian-drone-factory-600-miles-away/?sh=76dca9621dc0)** > > Ukraine seems to have fitted Cessna-style planes with remote controls, packed them with TNT & flown one 600 miles to strike a drone factory in Yelabuga, east of Moscow. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=347) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=349)