# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 349
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2024, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7091 "2024-04-03T10:53:46Z")
that is the curse of huge countries … once you get past the entrance barrier … there is basically nothing there to stop you (assuming you keep it under the civil-radar) as everything is spread so thinly… Mathias Rust comes to mind (german kid who landed on the red-square in the 80ies with a cessna (with 50 hours of flying experience) ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2024, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7092 "2024-04-03T12:33:34Z")
Interesting article about the war and various strategies. The Kerch Bridge continues to be a key target because it supplies Russia’s troops in Ukraine. Link [‘No choice’: Ukraine eyes Kerch bridge in Crimea for drone attack | Ukraine | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/ukraine-eyes-kerch-bridge-crimea-drone-attack) > [@](#): > > The HUR thinks it can disable the bridge soon. “We will do it in the first half of 2024,” one official told the Guardian, adding that Kyrylo Budanov, the head of the main directorate of intelligence, already had “most of the means to carry out this goal”. He was following a plan approved by Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, to “minimise” Russia’s naval presence in the Black Sea. > > Over the past five months Ukraine has sunk seven landing boats and large ships belonging to Moscow’s Black Sea fleet. The latest, the Sergei Kotov, [capsized earlier this month after a night-time raid](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/05/ukraine-russian-warship-occupied-crimea-sinking) involving 10 Ukrainian Magura V5 amphibious drones packed with explosives as it was [on patrol south of the Kerch bridge](https://twitter.com/arturrehi/status/1765094091434676543?s=51&t=KcZqEmlVoX0VlHKSCVA8LA). HUR officials indicated this was a “shaping operation” prior to another attack on the crossing. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2024, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7093 "2024-04-03T17:35:15Z")
> [@Al128](#): > > that is the curse of huge countries … once you get past the entrance barrier … there is basically nothing there to stop you (assuming you keep it under the civil-radar) as everything is spread so thinly… Even during the mighty USSR days there was [that guy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathias_Rust) who landed his uninvited light plane almost in Red Square. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2024, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7094 "2024-04-03T18:10:14Z")
Which was the paragraph right after the one you quoted. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2024, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7095 "2024-04-03T23:56:19Z")
Wish I’d noticed it. I remembered his first name as Stefan for some reason and got no hits. I had to put _red square airplane german_ into Google to find him. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2024, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7096 "2024-04-04T11:47:45Z")
The volunteers have impressive skills. Russia has dedicated cyber teams. I wouldn’t want to draw their attention. One Fist isn’t hiding. The article said they post on social media. Ukraine needs this help. > **[Ukraine gives award to foreign vigilantes for hacks on Russia](https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-68722542)** > > The foreign hackers had stolen data from Russian military firms and hacked cameras to spy on troops. > [@](#): > > One Fist is made up of hackers from eight different countries including the UK, US and Poland. They have collectively launched dozens of cyber-attacks - celebrating each one on social media. > [@](#): > > At the start of the invasion in 2022, One Fist spent months mapping out the physical and cyber-locations of hundreds of publicly viewable CCTV cameras in Ukraine. It was discovered that Russian forces were using them to monitor troops, so his team helped get the cameras switched off. > > Conversely, it was One Fist that hacked into cameras in occupied Crimea to catalogue Russian tanks and equipment being moved over the Kerch bridge. > > And most recently, in January, Kristopher and others also successfully hacked into a prominent Russian weapons-maker and stole 100 gigabytes of private data, which led to [a public celebration from](https://gur.gov.ua/content/100-hihabait-sekretiv-vartistiu-1-5-mlrd-hur-otrymalo-masyv-taiemnykh-danykh-pro-vpk-okupantiv.html) the Ukrainian authorities. > > “The array of information transferred to the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine contains drawings, specifications, patents, software referring to both existing and promising military developments,” the announcement said. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2024, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7097 "2024-04-04T22:33:09Z")
Here is an article about the converted light aircraft Ukraine is using as drones. > **[Ukraine’s hobby planes lobbing robot-driven kamikaze attacks on Russia -...](https://interestingengineering.com/military/ukraines-hobby-planes-lobbing-robot-driven-kamikaze-attacks-on-russia)** > > It now appears to a recent attack on a Russia drone factory was conducted using converted Ukrainian-made ultralight A22 hobby plane. @DWMarch called it in the other thread. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2024, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7098 "2024-04-05T11:58:27Z")
Ukraine’s drone attacks have borne more fruit: six Russian planes have allegedly been destroyed, and others damaged. > **[Ukraine war: Six Russian planes destroyed by drones, says Kyiv](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68740094)** > > Security sources tell BBC Ukrainian another eight bombers were badly damaged in the attack. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2024, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7099 "2024-04-05T14:21:47Z")
@Love_Rhombus’s bbc cite includes video of the earlier lightlplane strike mentioned by @Johnny_L.A just above. In it, it sure looks like the plane overflies the building and then detonates before ground impact in the courtyard between buildings. Which seems to have resulted in a lot of broken windows and little else. Cool tech, but not much real damage. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2024, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7100 "2024-04-05T14:37:53Z")
Drones attacking a lot of Russian airbases last night. All claims unconfirmed so far, but this one regarding Engels if true is potentially big news. Tu-95’s are the delivery mechanism for a lot of air-launched cruise missile attacks, and are not easily replaced given they’ve been out of production for ages. You may think of them as roughly in the same class as US B-52’s. > Note: for reasons unclear to me, the plane in the photo is a Tu-22, not a Tu-95. Tu-22 are also strategic bombers, more analogous to B-1B’s. Tu-95: [![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cb/Russian_Bear_%27H%27_Aircraft_MOD_45158140.jpg/1920px-Russian_Bear_%27H%27_Aircraft_MOD_45158140.jpg) ](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cb/Russian_Bear_%27H%27_Aircraft_MOD_45158140.jpg/1920px-Russian_Bear_%27H%27_Aircraft_MOD_45158140.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2024, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7101 "2024-04-06T14:04:16Z")
The Russians are beginning a Spring counter offensive. There’s no need to link. Look at the last week of postings from Dennys and Suchomimus. They’ve posted video of Ukrainians attacking and stopping small columns of tanks. Now a major attempt to retake Kharkiv is expected within a couple weeks. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/_g60JmD7uAo/maxresdefault.jpg "05 Apr: ALL ALARMS TRIGGERED! New Threat of the Biggest Russian Offensive (Kharkiv) | War in Ukraine") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g60JmD7uAo) ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7102 "2024-04-08T20:35:52Z")
> **[Australian elite seek to divert Russia’s $9b ‘dirty money’ to Ukraine](https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/australian-elite-seek-to-divert-russia-s-9b-dirty-money-to-ukraine-20240408-p5fi55.html)** > > The group, including former prime ministers, business, union and military leaders, wants Australia to divert the billions it has confiscated since the invasion of Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7103 "2024-04-08T23:58:57Z")
That would buy a lot of ammo for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2024, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7104 "2024-04-11T21:15:16Z")
Haven’t seen this anywhere else: > **[Ambassador: US to allocate $138 million for Ukrainian air defense system...](https://kyivindependent.com/ambassador-us-to/)** > > The U.S. signed an agreement to provide Ukraine with $138 million in critical air defense modernization, U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Bridget Brink said on April 11. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2024, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7105 "2024-04-11T23:50:58Z")
Ukraine needs better air defense. They just lost a power plant that supplied three regions. > **[Ukraine war: Key power plant near Kyiv destroyed by Russian strikes](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68788110)** > > One of Ukraine's main electricity providers says the Trypillya plant can no longer generate power. > [@](#): > > Hours later, Centrenergo confirmed its Trypillya plant had been put out of use. Mr Hota said his company’s entire generative capacity in Ukraine was now destroyed. > > It was one of Ukraine’s largest providers of electricity and heat. It operated two other power plants - one in the Kharkiv region which was destroyed in late March, and one in an area of the Donetsk region that was taken over by Russia in 2022. ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2024, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7106 "2024-04-13T03:02:52Z")
> **[China supporting Russia in massive military expansion, US says](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/12/china-supporting-russia-in-massive-military-expansion-us-says?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other)** > > Beijing helping with drone production, space-based capabilities and ballistic missile production ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2024, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7107 "2024-04-14T15:26:52Z")
This came sooner than I expected. The supply shortages are acute and getting worse. This assessment comes from General Sir Richard Barrons, former commander of the UK’s Joint Forces Command. It seems well thought out. > **[Ukraine could face defeat in 2024. Here's how that might look](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68778338)** > > With ammo critically low and Western aid stalled, what might Russia attempt in Ukraine this year? > [@](#): > > The reason, he says, is “because Ukraine may come to feel it can’t win”. > > “And when it gets to that point, why will people want to fight and die any longer, just to defend the indefensible?” > > Ukraine is not yet at that point. > > But its forces are running critically low on ammunition, troops and air defences. Its much-heralded counter-offensive last year failed to dislodge the Russians from ground they had seized and now Moscow is gearing up for a summer offensive. > > So what will that look like and what are its likely strategic objectives? > > “The shape of the Russian offensive that’s going to come is pretty clear,” says Gen Barrons. > > “We are seeing Russia batter away at the front line, employing a five-to-one advantage in artillery, ammunition, and a surplus of people reinforced by the use of newish weapons.” ---
**Author:** ![Kelevra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/97f17d/32.png) [@Kelevra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kelevra)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2024, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7108 "2024-04-16T14:10:18Z")
FPV drones really do seem to rule the battlefield. Check out this russian tank. Covered in what appears to be roofing sheet metal and festooned with EW systems. > ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2024, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7109 "2024-04-16T22:57:45Z")
…Is it trying to camouflage itself as a shed? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2024, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7110 "2024-04-16T23:41:59Z")
It appears to look like it could work for just that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=348) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=350)