# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 353
**Author:** ![Kelevra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/97f17d/32.png) [@Kelevra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kelevra)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2024, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7171 "2024-05-06T15:37:59Z")
Ukraine has apparently attached air to air missiles to a naval drone. I wonder if that’s how they have downed planes over the Black Sea. Second link shows a Russian helicopter attacking the drone. It looks like one of the missiles has been fired. > > > > NOELREPORTS 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 @NOELreports ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2024, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7172 "2024-05-06T15:47:22Z")
I suspect the drone was self destructed. ---
**Author:** ![Tzigone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Tzigone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tzigone)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2024, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7173 "2024-05-06T22:03:21Z")
> **non breakingnews post** > > > [@Folacin](#): > > > > America’s SOP for European wars. > > That’s a bit rich - it’s unreasonable to expect America to put European interests on the same footing as its own (or Europe to do the same for American wars). In the case of WWII, those same European countries waited until the threat to their own empires was nearly imminent and then (some people) judge the US negatively for not getting involved then, even though they sure as hell weren’t getting involved when the risk to them was that distant . ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2024, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7174 "2024-05-06T23:20:54Z")
I know it’s just a drone, but inflicting Russian Heavy Metal on it (and viewers of that vid) should still be a war crime. ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2024, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7175 "2024-05-06T23:39:52Z")
> **[Vladimir Putin humiliated as his gas empire crumbles](https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/how-vladimir-putin-s-gas-empire-crumbled-20240506-p5fp3h.html)** > > Vladimir Putin is throwing everything he has got at ramping up Russia’s war machine. But it does not include one previously reliable source of cash. ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2024, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7176 "2024-05-06T23:40:23Z")
> **[‘New round of escalation’: Putin’s Russia threatens UK, plans tactical...](https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/new-round-of-escalation-russia-threatens-uk-plans-tactical-nuclear-drills-20240507-p5fpf2.html)** > > The drills are a response to “provocative statements and threats of certain Western officials regarding the Russian Federation,” the Defence Ministry said in a statement. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2024, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7177 "2024-05-07T00:53:37Z")
Not the thread for posts like this. **Moderating** ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7178 "2024-05-12T14:19:11Z")
Russia’s Spring offensive is hitting hard. I hope the Aid package with missiles makes a difference. > **[Russian attack on Kharkiv continues as Moscow says it has taken five villages](https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/11/russian-attack-kharkiv-ukraine-villages)** > > Ukraine says it is pushing back against assaults and battling for control of territory > [@](#): > > Russia launched the armoured incursion early on Friday, in an attack that may presage a broader push into the Kharkiv region, or aim to draw away overstretched Ukrainian forces in the east where Moscow’s offensive is focused. > > Kyiv has been on the back foot for months as Russian troops have slowly advanced, mainly in the Donetsk region to the south, taking advantage of Ukraine’s shortages of troops and artillery shells. > > The Russian defence ministry told a briefing that Moscow’s forces had taken the Kharkiv region villages of Pletenivka, Ohirtseve, Borysivka, Pylna and Strilecha across the border from Russia’s Belgorod region. > > Kharkiv’s governor, Oleh Syniehubov, however, said on Saturday that active fighting continued in all five of the frontier villages located within 3km to 5km of the border. > > Skip… > He said there was no imminent danger to the regional capital, Kharkiv, Ukraine’s second largest city, and no need to begin evacuating its roughly 1.3 million inhabitants who continue to live there despite regular missile and drone strikes. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2024, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7179 "2024-05-13T12:38:08Z")
Here’s a BBC article with another description of the Russian push: > **[Russians simply walked in, Ukraine troops in Kharkiv tell BBC](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c72p0xx410xo)** > > The BBC's Jonathan Beale meets front-line soldiers battling Russia's new incursion in north-east Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2024, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7180 "2024-05-13T19:08:42Z")
Could be a classic maskirovka on Russias part ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2024, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7181 "2024-05-14T01:09:47Z")
Isn’t “just walking in” how infantry usually works? ---
**Author:** ![Kelevra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/97f17d/32.png) [@Kelevra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kelevra)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2024, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7182 "2024-05-14T14:18:58Z")
The border with Russia is a grey zone mostly because the West won’t allow their weapons to be used within Russia (The UK recently changed this stipulation). Consequently Ukrainian defensive positions are located several kilometers from the border. This means that Russia can take these undefended areas by just “walking in”. Russia figures Ukraine can’t/won’t be able to retake the land once they have occupied it so they might as well grab as much as they can. Here’s a discussion from George Barros with ISW on the results of western weapons not being used in Russian territory. > ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2024, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7183 "2024-05-14T22:39:12Z")
Note that the Ukrainians have been sneaking PATRIOT launchers closer to the border and dropping multiple Russian aircraft at a time. The interruption of missile supplies halted this. Hopefuly the renewed assistance will correct the imbalance. I expect the arrival of F-16s imminently armed with AIM-120s will seriously dent Russian ambitions. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2024, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7184 "2024-05-15T12:45:17Z")
ISW has a more optimistic view of the barttlefield. I’m surprised there is any Russian commentary critical of their forces. [The BBC reporting](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1030vvy0mzo) sounds more ominous. Ukrainian troops are retreating and President Volodymyr Zelensky has cancelled all upcoming foreign trips. Apparently this isn’t a good time for him to be away and out of direct control of the government. Link [Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, May 14, 2024 | Institute for the Study of War](https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-may-14-2024) > [@](#): > > **The pace of Russian offensive operations in northern Kharkiv Oblast appears to have slowed over the past 24 hours, and the pattern of Russian offensive activity in this area is consistent with ISW’s assessment that Russian forces are prioritizing the creation of a “buffer zone” in the international border area over a deeper penetration of Kharkiv Oblast.** Several Ukrainian military officials reported on May 14 that they believe the situation in Kharkiv Oblast is slowly stabilizing — Ukraine’s Main Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR) Head Lieutenant General Kyrylo Budanov stated on May 14 that the situation in Kharkiv Oblast began stabilizing on the night of May 13 into May 14 as additional Ukrainian units deployed to the area and began defending against Russian advances.[1] The Ukrainian General Staff and Ukrainian Khortytsia Group of Forces Spokesperson Lieutenant Colonel Nazar Voloshyn noted that Ukrainian forces have begun to “clear” Vovchansk by targeting visible Russian assault groups in the settlement.[2] Several Russian and Ukrainian sources also reported that Russian forces are using new tactics in this direction — using smaller assault groups of no more than five people to penetrate Ukrainian positions before merging with other small assault groups to unite into a larger strike group.[3] Drone footage purportedly from Vovchansk shows Russian foot mobile infantry operating within the settlement in small squad-sized assault groups, consistent with Ukrainian reports.[4] > > The use of small assault groups, however, may be contributing to higher Russian manpower and materiel losses and slowing the overall pace of the Russian offensive in this direction. One Russian military commentator, who previously served as a “Storm-Z” unit instructor, complained that footage of small Russian assault groups is indicative of poor training and preparation, not an effective new tactic. ---
**Author:** ![Kelevra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/97f17d/32.png) [@Kelevra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kelevra)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2024, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7185 "2024-05-15T17:53:28Z")
Looks like Secretary of State Blinken said Ukraine can use American weapons in Russian territory. About time. > ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2024, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7186 "2024-05-16T14:39:56Z")
I don’t think we’re going to see a big rally from Ukraine. Their lines are very thin in the Kharkiv area. Interesting analysis but it’s disturbing for anyone that supports Ukraine. There are several embedded links about the war. > **[How Russia has advanced in Kharkiv despite warnings attack was coming](https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/16/ukraines-defences-thin-on-ground-as-russia-advances-on-kharkiv)** > > Shortage of munitions, fighters and air defences leaves Ukraine unprepared to repel attack > [@](#): > > Shortfalls in Ukrainian artillery and an absence of defences against ballistic missiles and long-range glide bombs [have been well observed in recent weeks](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/27/elite-force-bucks-trend-of-ukrainian-losses-on-eastern-front). But Jack Watling, a land warfare expert at the Royal United Services Institute thinktank, said Russia was also overcoming the limitations of its undertrained army and beginning “to compound its advantages” with munitions. > > Such is the diminishment of Ukraine’s frontline surface-to-air missile defences, that they are focused on deterring Russian jets from crossing the frontlines. But they are no longer able to knock out Orlan-10 reconnaissance drones, which are now “routinely flying over both Kharkiv and Zaporizhzhia”, Watling [said in a new paper](https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/ukraine-russia-beginning-compound-advantages) and more “accurately detect and destroy targets behind the frontlines Continuing the discussion from [Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1) - #10091 by Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/10091). Previous discussions: - [Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037) ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2024, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7187 "2024-05-16T14:56:12Z")
Not sure what you were trying to include, but I removed the thread bannings that were in your post from the OP. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2024, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7188 "2024-05-16T14:59:26Z")
That stuff just popped up in my post. It was tangled up in my quote from the article. I moved my [/quote] tag so the mod stuff wasn’t in my quote. I was quoting from the Guardian. Not sdmb ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2024, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7189 "2024-05-16T22:46:50Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I don’t think we’re going to see a big rally from Ukraine. We’ve been seeing big rallies from Ukraine. Haven’t you heard about all the refinery strikes? That’s the kind of strategic attack that’s going to win the war, not scrabbling for a kilometer here or there on the ground. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2024, 10:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7190 "2024-05-17T10:30:58Z")
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