# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 354
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2024, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7191 "2024-05-17T11:07:39Z")
It does look like Ukraine was able to stop the Russian advance, but not push them back. Also a huge drone attack. I wonder how many drones Ukraine has in reserve? They’re pretty easy to make, right? > **[Ukraine stops Russia's advance and unleashes a wave of drones on Crimea](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/ukraine-stabilized-kharkiv-russia-offensive-crimea-drone-attack-power-rcna152717)** > > President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said his troops had stabilized the situation in the northeastern Kharkiv region and that the Russians had pushed no more than 6 miles into Ukrainian territory. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2024, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7192 "2024-05-17T11:42:01Z")
Kharkiv is Ukraine’s 2nd largest city. Losing it to Russia would be a very significant loss. This NATO war briefing is encouraging. I’m assuming Cavoli has been fully briefed by intelligence analysts with satellite images and by Ukraine. > **[Ukraine war briefing: Kharkiv campaign won’t deliver major Russian...](https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/17/ukraine-russia-war-briefing-what-we-know-kharkiv-campaign)** > > Ukraine accuses invaders of killing civilians and setting up human shields; sanctions over North Korean arms supply to Russia. What we know on day 814 > [@](#): > > - Russia does not have sufficient forces on the ground to make a major breakthrough in [Ukraine](https://www.theguardian.com/world/ukraine) after launching its **offensive in the Kharkhiv region** , Nato’s supreme allied commander for Europe, Christopher Cavoli, said on Thursday. “More to the point **they don’t have the skill and the ability to do it** ,” said the US general. “I’ve been in very close contact with our Ukrainian colleagues and I’m confident that they will hold the line. > - Ukraine said on Thursday it was **trying to “stabilise” the frontline in the Kharkiv region**. Moscow has seized 278 sq km (107 sq miles) of Ukrainian territory between 9 and 15 May, based on data from the Institute for the Study of War (ISW). It represents the **largest territorial gain in a single operation since mid-December 2022**. Cavoli said Ukraine’s forces were “being shipped vast amounts of ammunition, vast amounts of short range air defence systems and significant amounts of armoured vehicles right now” ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2024, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7193 "2024-05-18T14:07:12Z")
Semi-OT: On the Russian front, the _Daily Star_ (a British tabloid, apparently) [reports on a manual provided to the wives](https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/putins-war-turns-troops-sex-32833581)of returning soldiers, guiding them on how to deal with surliness and sexually sadistic behavior: do not provoke your man, just lie back and take it. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2024, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7194 "2024-05-18T18:31:42Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Also a huge drone attack. I wonder how many drones Ukraine has in reserve? We need better terminology, here, because there are a bunch of very different things called “drones” that are getting used in this war. Some of them are small quadcopters, basically the same thing you find in a toy store, and some of them are full-sized warplanes that just happen to not have a pilot, and everything in between. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2024, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7195 "2024-05-18T18:42:18Z")
There’s also this kind but I’m pretty sure they’re banned by the Geneva Convention. https:// scottishretail.com.au/wp-content/ uploads/2020/09/ TM-9167.png ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2024, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7196 "2024-05-18T18:44:41Z")
**Moderating** : No more on bagpipes please and before someone feels the need to mention it, yes, at very least the UK still uses them with their Army. Though if desired a new topic could be started on this. I’m just weird enough to enjoy it. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2024, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7197 "2024-05-18T19:10:39Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > the _Daily Star_ (a British tabloid, apparently) Not exactly known for measured analysis, better known for front page headlines like ALIENS VANISH UP OWN URANUS. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2024, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7198 "2024-05-18T19:22:16Z")
[Some more gems from the Star] ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2024, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7199 "2024-05-18T19:24:39Z")
That is really off-topic, I’ll break the link and ask for no more on the Star. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2024, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7200 "2024-05-19T20:06:47Z")
The satellite photos are convincing. It’s the 2nd attack on Belbek airfield in 2 days. > **[Exclusive satellite images show destroyed Russian jets and building at...](https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/17/europe/ukraine-satellite-images-crimea-belbek-jets-destroyed-intl-hnk/index.html)** > > Satellite images exclusively obtained by CNN show three destroyed Russian jets and damaged buildings at Belbek airbase in occupied port city of Sevastopol on Wednesday. > [@](#): > > While Moscow appears to have the upper hand in its ground campaign more recently, Kyiv’s forces have enjoyed sustained successes targeting Russia’s Black Sea Fleet, in either missile strikes or sea drone attacks. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2024, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7201 "2024-05-20T01:18:11Z")
The attacks on the Black Sea Fleet were at the Eastern Novorossiysk port where Russia had pulled ships back for protection. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2024, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7202 "2024-05-20T01:52:03Z")
Ukraine to Russia: “You can run but you can’t hide”? That seems like a useful strategy. ---
**Author:** ![Kelevra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/97f17d/32.png) [@Kelevra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kelevra)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2024, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7203 "2024-05-20T15:33:52Z")
Possibly 2 more Russian ships sunk. A mine sweeper and a missile ship. Russia is reporting that the latest attack was by ATTACMs and they shot down 9 of 12 launched. It’s very unlikely that they shot 12 down (or even 1). I read that these missiles fly at Mach 3 which doesn’t leave a lot of time intercept. > In addition to the Kovrovets minesweeper, which was reportedly destroyed yesterday, the destruction of another ship, the Project 22800 Karakurt Class ‘Tsiklon’, is likely, Navy spokesman Dmytro Pletenchuk said. > > “Actually, this information is still being verified. Because in order to be 100 percent sure, it is still necessary to obtain the appropriate results of objective control. As soon as we have these results, we will definitely inform the public about it,” he added. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2024, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7204 "2024-05-24T02:36:09Z")
[Reported by CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/10/europe/zelensky-rud-ukraine-assassination-fired-intl/?dicbo=v2-3agiw1j&hpt=ob_blogfooterold) today: # Zelensky sacks bodyguard chief after foiled assassination plot > Ukrainian President [Volodymyr Zelensky](https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/07/europe/zelensky-assassination-plot-ukraine-russia-intl/index.html) dismissed the head of the the agency responsible for his protection after two of its officers were detained over an alleged assassination plot against him. > > The sacking of State Guard Service (UDO) chief Serhii Rud was revealed in a decree published on the presidential website. No reason for the dismissal was given. > > According to Ukrainian state media Ukrinform, Rud was appointed to be Zelensky’s top bodyguard in October 2019. A replacement is yet to be named. > > [snip] > > Earlier this week it emerged that [Ukraine](https://www.cnn.com/world/europe/ukraine) had detained two security officials allegedly involved in a Russian plot to assassinate Zelensky. > > Two colonels in the UDO were accused of carrying out “subversive activities against Ukraine in exchange for financial compensation,” Ukraine’s Prosecutor General’s office said Tuesday. > > Both colonels were charged with treason; one was also charged with preparing a terrorist act. > > Kyiv’s state security service (SBU) said it had “foiled” the plans to assassinate Zelensky and other senior Ukrainian officials, including the head of the SBU, Vasyl Maliuk, and the head of the Defence Intelligence of Ukraine, Kyrylo Budanov. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2024, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7205 "2024-05-24T02:54:48Z")
not reported **today** , but 14 days ago … made me think “did he have to do it AGAIN?” ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2024, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7206 "2024-05-24T04:43:25Z")
2 items from the Guardian live feed. It’s good that the US is aware of Russia jamming GLSDB bombs. A solution can be found before the US may have to use them in a war. Ukrainian F-16 fighter pilots are getting good training. They’ll definitely need it to fight Russian air defenses. I haven’t seen any reports about training the maintenance crews. > [@](#): > > **Russian jamming** has kept many of Ukraine’s relatively new **long-range GLSDB bombs from hitting their intended targets** , three people familiar with the problem have told Reuters. The Boeing and Saab-made ground-launched small diameter bomb has a 161km range. It launches with a rocket motor and then wings pop out to extend its range. But its guidance system has been targeted by Russian jamming that its makers are struggling to counteract > > **Ukraine’s first group of F-16 pilots have finished their training in the US** , [according to Politico](https://www.politico.com/newsletters/national-security-daily/2024/05/23/a-new-military-era-for-the-us-and-kenya-kind-of-00159744). The pilots would head to Europe for further training, Politico reported, citing operational security for the lack of further details. European allies of Ukraine have pledged dozens of the fighter jets. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2024, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7207 "2024-05-24T08:48:39Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > It’s good that the US is aware of Russia jamming GLSDB bombs. A solution can be found before the US may have to use them in a war. Yet another benefit to the US of supporting Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2024, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7208 "2024-05-24T11:26:47Z")
Cue Russian propaganda “The West is just prolonging the war to use innocent people as guinea pigs”, if they haven’t already spun that line. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2024, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7209 "2024-05-24T12:51:45Z")
We’re “prolonging the war” only in the sense of not letting Russia win, but the benefits to the US military are undeniable. And Russia (and Republicans) have been using the “you’re the _real_ warmongers” line from the beginning. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2024, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7210 "2024-05-24T16:18:24Z")
New story and thread for it on Putin’s request for a ceasefire. > [@Putin Has Called for a ceasefire. With--certain provisos. NEWSLINK](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/putin-has-called-for-a-ceasefire-with-certain-provisos-newslink/1002029): > > Not a truce. And he gets to keep the land he stole. He wants to catch a breath, then start again. [NEWSLINK ONE](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-wants-ukraine-ceasefire-current-frontlines-sources-say-2024-05-24/)[NEWSLINK TWO](https://www.forbes.com/sites/tylerroush/2024/05/24/putin-ready-for-ceasefire-in-ukraine-on-current-frontlines-report-says-heres-what-russia-would-gain/?sh=27e583c162fe) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=353) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=355)