# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 361
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 9:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7333 "2024-07-16T09:54:10Z")
A couple of things: 1. On Sunday I saw about 7 men being led to the bus with a man in military camos in the back. Asking about this, I learned that Ukraine rounds up men (between 20-40yo) at random and impresses them into the military. 2. Because of this, the man we are staying with refuses to drive into town for fear of being impressed. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7334 "2024-07-16T14:07:24Z")
@JohnT are you hearing a lot of Air Raid sirens at night? News of large scale air attacks is reported every day. Russia is still pressing their offense hard. The number of casualties must be extreme. Guardian blog July 16 > [@](#): > > - **Ukraine’s army general staff reported intense Russian attacks in the Pokrovsk area of the Donetsk region on Sunday, creating the “hottest situation” along the frontline as the invaders pushed for gains.** In an update, the general staff said: “The enemy has already attacked our positions 35 times today in the areas of Novooleksandrivka, Vozdvizhenka, Progress, Lozuvatskyi, Novoselivka Pershoya and Yasnobrodivka … The situation remains tense near Novooleksandrivka, Novoselivka Persha and Progress, where six clashes are still ongoing. Our defenders restrain the enemy.” > - **In the Kharkiv area,** **Russian forces attacked positions in the Hlyboky and Vovchansk districts three times, the update said**. “On the Kupyansk direction, the enemy was also repulsed three times near Pishchany and Stelmakhivka. Suffered losses and withdrew.” In the Lyman area, there were eight Russian assaults in the area of ​​Makiivka and Grekivka. Other attempted advances took place around Seversky, Kramatorsk, and in the Toretsk area it was “tense” with locations near North and New York under attack. > - **The Institute for the Study of War thinktank said Ukrainian forces had recently regained lost positions near Vovchansk, north-east of Kharkiv city** , while Russian forces advanced near Avdiivka, to the north of Donetsk city.\* ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7335 "2024-07-16T14:22:02Z")
No, we are about 3 hours west of Kiev. Kharkiv is 450 miles away to the east. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7336 "2024-07-16T17:01:20Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > A couple of things: > > 1. On Sunday I saw about 7 men being led to the bus with a man in military camos in the back. Asking about this, I learned that Ukraine rounds up men (between 20-40yo) at random and impresses them into the military. > 2. Because of this, the man we are staying with refuses to drive into town for fear of being impressed. must be a tough spot to be in for a man 20-40 and not in army … how are those men “read” by their environment? … as cowards? … is there any social pressure / reproach? … IOW - i’d be interested more in the soft aspects of the news and current situation in UKR, stuff that normally doesn’t make it into the news … ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7337 "2024-07-16T19:00:45Z")
Not speaking the language, I genuinely do not know what is being said. The _imagery_ of the recruiting commercials is typical - brave men and women fighting, old people waving Ukrainian flags, martial music being played, and most of them have some bit from Zelenskyy. I do not know about social pressure, sorry. And the man I’m staying with is 46yo, not in the 20-40 range mentioned earlier… but I don’t think the Army is going to care too much about the extra 6 years, honestly. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7338 "2024-07-16T19:41:34Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > and in the Toretsk area it was “tense” with locations near North and New York under attack. There’s an area of Ukraine named “New York”? And with the impressed men… How is that handled? I mean, that guy was doing something else before that… Does his previous boss just find out when he doesn’t show up for work that day? Is there any attempt at coordination by the government to replace those workers in an orderly way? ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2024, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7339 "2024-07-16T20:27:07Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > There’s an area of Ukraine named “New York”? Indeed: > **[New York, Ukraine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York,_Ukraine)** > > New York or Niu-York\[a\] is a rural settlement in Toretsk urban hromada, Bakhmut Raion, Donetsk Oblast, eastern Ukraine. It is located 37.9 kilometres (23.5 mi) north-northeast from the centre of the city of Donetsk. From 1951 to 2021, the settlement was named Novhorodske.\[b\] > New York is administratively designated to Toretsk urban hromada, one of the hromadas of Ukraine with its center in the city of Toretsk, that is located about 10 kilometres (6.2 mi) north of New York. Population: 9,735 (20... ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2024, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7340 "2024-07-22T07:30:14Z")
Are these “business as usual”, or a new offensive? > **[Russia's Tuapse oil refinery damaged in Ukraine drone attack, Russian...](https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/russia%27s-tuapse-oil-refinery-damaged-in-ukraine-drone-attack%2c-russian-officials-say/84596286)** > > (Reuters) -Russia's Black Sea Tuapse oil refinery, owned by oil major Rosneft, was damaged in a Ukrainian drone attack overnight, officials from the Krasnodar region said on Monday. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2024, 10:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7341 "2024-07-22T10:09:32Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > And with the impressed men… How is that handled? I mean, that guy was doing something else before that… Does his previous boss just find out when he doesn’t show up for work that day? Is there any attempt at coordination by the government to replace those workers in an orderly way. I asked around and found out the process is that you are given a slip of paper with a date and time to report to the processing center. You are responsible for making all arrangements needed, and when you show up, you are given your health and fitness tests, other boxes are checked (age, children, marital status (for example, if you have kids and no wife you get deferred), stuff like that. If you get selected, you get a few more days to spend with loved ones, and then you’re off. Went to Kiev and, frankly, not much to report. No air raids while we were there, and the place was quite lively as far as the economic scene goes - lots of people in restaurants, bunch of theater-going opportunities, etc. Our hosts said that it was very bad for the first year, but now that Russia isn’t threatening Kiev (except for missle attacks), _and_ it’s 2 years later, people are living their lives again. … on a personal note I liked Kiev more than I liked Prague… Anyway, some pictures: Recruiting station: [![Imgur](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53871160061_b8a6397c24_b.jpg "Kiev") ](https://www.flickr.com/photos/68782016@N08/53871160061/) War memorial for casualties: [![Imgur](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53871508184_00834a6b9d_b.jpg "Kiev") ](https://www.flickr.com/photos/68782016@N08/53871508184/) [![Imgur](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53870253827_9efb821f9a_b.jpg "Kiev") ](https://www.flickr.com/photos/68782016@N08/53870253827/) Maripoul (sp) defenders memorial: [![Imgur](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53871566465_0ff5da3e0b_b.jpg "Kiev") ](https://www.flickr.com/photos/68782016@N08/53871566465/) (That curved building is the Ukrainian State department. We saw a number of embassies near there (missed the American one, though)). [![Imgur](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53871155861_6fba06c778_b.jpg "Kiev") ](https://www.flickr.com/photos/68782016@N08/53871155861/) (That’s St Michael’s Orthodox cathedral in the background.) One last thing: Inna and I went to a number of historical sites and Ukrainian history appears to be a thousand-year war with Russia, so this (the war) is literally just another chapter in a very bloody book. Oh… Inna heard a lot of Russian being spoken openly and without reservation, we went to a few bookstores where she confirmed that Russian literature is still being displayed and sold, so rumors of ‘Russian cultural oppression’ are… well, I don’t want to say they’re 100% false, but they are definitely overblown. And that’s it for my travels in Ukraine. Will be glad to answer any questions, and if something comes to mind, I’ll report it here. ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2024, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7342 "2024-07-22T14:54:15Z")
RE: The drone attack on the Tuapse oil refinery: This is the third significant drone attack that’s been reported in the last few days; two other attacks hit the Morozovsk air base and the Millerovo air base, both in the Rostov region. Tuapse is about 120 miles southeast of the Kerch bridge. The Morozovsk air base is about 180 miles due east of Donetsk, while the Millerovo air base is about 130 miles northeast of Donetsk. According to Russia, each of the attacks were repelled successfully, but debris from the destroyed drones caused fires and damage. Unconfirmed reports and satellite imagery from the air base attacks seem to indicate damage to hangars and fuel storage areas. The Morozovsk air base has been hit at least twice before, in April and June. Without any trace of irony, Russia says the attack on the Tuapse oil refinery is a terroristic act. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2024, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7343 "2024-07-22T16:47:42Z")
Piece in the Guardian today about their using prisoners to fight: > **[‘I’m a person again’: the Ukrainian convicts recruited to fight the war](https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jul/22/ukrainian-convicts-recruited-fight-war)** > > Kyiv has freed 3,800 prisoners early to plug gaps in its army as military outfits compete to attract suitable convicts ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2024, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7344 "2024-07-23T00:52:58Z")
> **[Czech Republic says shells for Ukraine plan will fall short without more money](https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jul/22/czech-republic-shells-ukraine-plan-fall-short-more-money?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other)** > > Prague’s foreign minister urges donor countries to pay extra to avoid 800k target being missed by over a third ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2024, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7345 "2024-07-23T02:15:31Z")
Maintenance is an important consideration for a war that may continue for several years. Repair facilities inside Ukraine would be targeted. Link [UK Government and defence industry stepping up support for Ukraine - GOV.UK](https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-government-and-defence-industry-stepping-up-support-for-ukraine) > [@](#): > > From industrial sites at home, to facilities in Ukraine, the UK defence industry has been providing critical equipment to the Ukrainian Armed Forces. > > Working with local partners, BAE Systems is providing maintenance and repair for weapons supplied by the UK from a facility in Ukraine. > > Babcock International also announced a six-month extension to its contract with the MOD to continue to provide the maintenance, repair and asset management of vehicles. > > Whilst this week, the MOD agreed to regenerate the UK’s ability to produce forgings for gun barrels, working in partnership with Sheffield Forgemasters, supporting the repair and overhaul of Ukrainian vehicles; this is the first step towards UK sovereign barrel production which has been developing for 20 years. > > UK industry support of this kind will enable Ukraine’s armed forces to get maintain vital equipment, such as L119 Light Guns and the AS90 self-propelled gun, keeping it in the fight and repairing battle damaged equipment as quickly as possible. Similar article with more details. > **[British industry to boost Ukrainian artillery with new barrel production...](https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/07/21/british-industry-to-boost-ukrainian-artillery-with-new-barrel-production-initiative/)** > > The UK Ministry of Defense has confirmed that Sheffield Forgemasters will produce the largest and most complex cast and forged steel components, including gun barrels for Ukraine's artillery. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2024, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7346 "2024-07-24T13:56:10Z")
Interesting piece in the Guardian today > **[‘I know we will win – and how’: Ukraine’s top general on turning the tables...](https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jul/24/i-know-we-will-win-and-how-ukraines-top-general-on-turning-the-tables-against-russia?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other)** > > Exclusive: Col Gen Oleksandr Syrskyi weighs Ukraine’s recent setbacks, counter strikes and the changing face of Europe’s biggest war since 1945 ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2024, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7347 "2024-07-24T19:16:06Z")
While I’d like more details, this: > **[Russia is offering Moscow residents a record $22,000 to fight in Ukraine | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/24/europe/russia-moscow-troops-signing-bonus-intl-hnk/index.html)** > > Authorities in the city of Moscow are offering a record signing-on bonus for new recruits to fight in Ukraine, in the latest sign of a scramble to boost dwindling Russian troop numbers. Shows a substantial demand for new troops in Russia. Although from what I recall from prior reporting in this thread, some of those offers (and the offers for payment for deaths and injuries) have been late in arriving, if at all. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2024, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7348 "2024-07-25T14:07:51Z")
A large mechanized assault was soundly defeated. Russia gambled big and lost. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/iIs5cZyFBuE/maxresdefault.jpg "Huge Russian Attack Consisting of 45 APCs, 12 Tanks, 12 Motorcycles and a BMPT Terminator Defeated!") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIs5cZyFBuE) [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/1TGoLQ-7-ZA/maxresdefault.jpg "Update from Ukraine | What a day! The Biggest Ruzzian Strike was repelled by Ukrainian Defenders") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TGoLQ-7-ZA) ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2024, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7349 "2024-07-25T20:59:49Z")
How much armor did they lose? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2024, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7350 "2024-07-25T21:06:01Z")
Not going to watch it again, but ISTR about half. Plus most of the infantry. ETA: 6 tanks, 7 APCs and all 12 motorcycles. Still hunting for surviving grunts. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2024, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7351 "2024-07-25T21:11:11Z")
Thank you ---
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