# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 362
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2024, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7353 "2024-07-27T11:04:03Z")
> **[Should Ukraine join Nato?](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jul/27/ukraine-nato-membership?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other)** > > We don’t agree that Nato membership for Ukraine would provoke a conflict with Russia ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2024, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7354 "2024-07-29T00:58:25Z")
This was only the water parade in Crimea. The event was held as scheduled inside Russia. The [Chinese sent a ship](https://armyrecognition.com/news/navy-news/2024/chinese-navy-ship-jiaozuo-arrives-in-russia-for-navy-day-celebrations) to the water parade. > **[Russian Navy Day Celebrations Canceled In Crimea's Sevastopol After Reported...](https://www.rferl.org/a/crimea-navy-day-canceled-sevastapol-attack/31967407.html)** > > Russia's Navy Day celebrations in the Crimean port city of Sevastopol have been canceled following a drone attack on the headquarters of the Russian Black Sea Fleet. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2024, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7355 "2024-07-30T04:39:11Z")
Well, this is odd. It may or may not be relevant to this thread. [Valentina Bondarenko fell from](https://www.newsweek.com/top-russian-economist-dies-after-falling-out-window-1929398) her Moscow apartment window and could not be saved. She was “a leading research fellow at the Institute of Economics of the Russian Academy of Sciences in Moscow” – it has been called not-foul-play, but who can say? Economics could have a troublesome impact on the war. Or maybe Moscow needs to have better windows. ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2024, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7356 "2024-07-30T13:53:31Z")
Russia continues to make territorial gains near Avdiivka in southeastern Ukraine: [Ukraine War Map Shows Russia's 'Significant Tactical Advances' in Avdiivka - Newsweek](https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-avdiivka-donetsk-1931804). From this and other reports, it sounds like Russian troops have changed tactics slightly. They’re apparently using drones to continuously monitor Ukrainian troop movements, and then attacking when troop rotations occur. They’re able to exploit the confusion and lack of cohesion during such movements to make gains. Over the weekend a Ukrainian leader (Army, I think; can’t remember who, and can’t find the article to cite now) said Russia can sustain this level of offensive activity for six weeks, tops, and then the loss of manpower and materiel will force them to go on the defensive. I don’t know where he got that information or how reliable it is. ---
**Author:** ![Kelevra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/97f17d/32.png) [@Kelevra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kelevra)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2024, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7357 "2024-07-30T22:07:33Z")
Apparently North Korean missile launchers have been spotted in Ukraine. Russia needs to get more equipment somewhere. > And I really don’t know where to go with this. Russian infantry on electric scooters? As if the golf carts and motorcycles weren’t unprotected enough! > ---
**Author:** ![psychonaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/psychonaut/32/4655_2.png) [@psychonaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychonaut)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2024, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7358 "2024-07-30T23:15:50Z")
> [@Sauron](#): > > Over the weekend a Ukrainian leader (Army, I think; can’t remember who, and can’t find the article to cite now) said Russia can sustain this level of offensive activity for six weeks, tops, and then the loss of manpower and materiel will force them to go on the defensive. I don’t know where he got that information or how reliable it is. What’s always left unsaid in reports of this kind are how long the _other_ side can sustain the effects of that activity. ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2024, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7359 "2024-07-31T02:59:15Z")
Those scooters would seem to be more trouble than they’re worth. ---
**Author:** ![Kelevra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/97f17d/32.png) [@Kelevra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kelevra)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2024, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7360 "2024-07-31T23:43:20Z")
Maybe the first F-16s have arrived. ISW has said that they will arrive piecemeal and not have a great affect this year. I’ve also read that the initial plan is to use them for air defense, not offense. > ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7361 "2024-08-01T08:12:59Z")
How would they even charge them reliably? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7362 "2024-08-01T10:35:34Z")
Was wondering that too. But maybe at some sort of base camp? Then they could be used for quiet and pretty fast scouting missions. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2024, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7363 "2024-08-01T12:37:45Z")
Glad the F16’s have begun to arrive. Building a force of 130 will take awhile. I’ve read that building maintenance squadrons is crucial. The personnel should be receiving separate training with the pilots. Odd the maintenance crews aren’t mentioned by the news. They need more of them then pilots. Guardian live feed > [@](#): > > Ukraine **needs at least 130 F-16s** to neutralise Russian air power, Ukrainian officials say. Much depends on **having enough pilots** , who are being trained by a coalition of countries including the US which has also agreed to arm Ukraine’s jets with advanced missiles and bombs. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7364 "2024-08-03T17:31:03Z")
Looks like Ukraine may have finished off the Rostov-on-Don submarine after previously damaging it. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/5qY1wI4766Y/maxresdefault.jpg "Ukraine Destroys Submarine Rostov-na-Donu at Sevastopol Repair Bay with ATACMS!") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qY1wI4766Y) ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2024, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7365 "2024-08-03T17:33:23Z")
It seems like it was a good day for Ukraine. Both the Morozovsk airbase (appears an ammo dump went up) and an oil depot were hit as well. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/ICtrWbqOGt8/hqdefault.jpg "Massive Drone Strike Hits Morozovsk Airbase and Oil Depot --BIG Ammo Cookoff") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICtrWbqOGt8) ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2024, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7366 "2024-08-04T20:04:36Z")
Confirmation of the F16s > **[Ukraine receives first F-16 fighter jets - Zelensky](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4ng1p72wlwo)** > > The arrival marks a crucial milestone in boosting the capabilities of Ukraine's air force, which largely relies on old Soviet-era jets. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2024, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7367 "2024-08-07T13:27:34Z")
some unexpected developments: UKR “invading” parts of (official) russian territory > **[Russia says it's battling a major cross-border assault by Ukraine](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/kursk-incursion-russia-battles-ukraine-border-attack-putin-war-rcna165497)** > > Kyiv has not acknowledged the attack on the Kursk region, which would mark a dramatic shift in strategy as its forces struggle to hold onto key territory on the war's eastern front lines. probably just at tactical level, but might create quite a headache for RU as they need to spread out thinner now to not get any more egg on their faces. [https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/1em71vu/the\_ukrainian\_army\_continues\_its\_advance\_in\_the/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/1em71vu/the_ukrainian_army_continues_its_advance_in_the/) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2024, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7368 "2024-08-07T13:32:00Z")
> [@](#): > > [Russia](https://www.nbcnews.com/world/russia-ukraine-news) said Wednesday it was battling an unprecedented cross-border incursion from [Ukrainian troops](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/ukraine-frontline-soldiers-us-support-russia-peace-summit-rcna157151) backed by armored vehicles and aerial support, with Moscow scrambling to reinforce the area after what [President Vladimir Putin](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/vladimir-putin) called a “major provocation.” Glad to see Putin admitting that a cross-border military attack is a “major provocation”. And not a bad strategy to force Russia to devote resources to defending its home territory. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2024, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7369 "2024-08-07T13:38:36Z")
The Beeb seems to be the only news site putting “alleged” in the headline. > **[Putin accuses Ukraine of 'provocation' amid alleged border incursion](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm2n9y4nm3lo)** > > Fighting has been taking place since Tuesday, with footage showing smoke rising in some areas. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2024, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7370 "2024-08-07T13:43:30Z")
There has been concern that Surface to Air missiles would limit the use of F-16’s. SAM’s have greatly restricted Ukraine’s ancient Soviet planes from flying missions. They have also restricted the use of some Russian Aircraft. Significant improvement but the pucker factor is still at a 8 out of 10. 😉 > **[Ukraine receives F-16 fighter jets with early missile warning systems -...](https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/08/05/ukraine-receives-f-16-fighter-jets-with-early-missile-warning-systems/)** > > The integration of this Danish-manufactured system marks a vital upgrade in Ukraine's air defense, ensuring greater protection and operational effectiveness against missile threats. > [@](#): > > The MWS provides a vital enhancement to the F-16’s self-defense system, enabling the aircraft to detect and counter incoming missiles in advance. > The system consists of six sensors and one computer. Three sensors are installed on each of the two pylons. Their placement ensures almost complete spherical coverage around the aircraft. > > The computer is installed in the right pylon. The AAR-60(V)2 transmits threat information to the Terma ALQ-213 countermeasure management system located in the pilot’s cockpit. > > The ALQ-213 selects the most effective sequence for firing flares from the Flare-Up module, which is located in the PIDS+. The flares are fired at an angle to be shot diagonally downward, avoiding the missile mounted on the jet’s wingtip. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2024, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7371 "2024-08-07T13:50:42Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Glad to see Putin admitting that a cross-border military attack is a “major provocation”. IOKWRDI (It’s OK when Russia does it.) ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2024, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7372 "2024-08-07T13:52:58Z")
When I see headlines like that by major mainstream news organizations it’s kinda frustrating. Like here’s Retuer’s take: [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-pierces-russian-border-triggering-major-battles/ar-AA1ooncS?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=d6a5b10a0aa44fb1997e6d2a5c981f80&ei=33](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-pierces-russian-border-triggering-major-battles/ar-AA1ooncS?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=d6a5b10a0aa44fb1997e6d2a5c981f80&ei=33) “Ukraine pierces Russian border triggering major battles”. I guess “major” is subject to some interpretation, but in the context of this conflict we’re talking about roughly 400 soldiers. So a couple of companies…less than a battalion, in other words. It’s a bold raid to be sure, but let’s not blow this out of context. This action may compel the Russians to shift a certain number of strategic resources, but this is a raid, not an offensive. We can’t realistically expect to see Ukraine seizing and holding on to any territory here. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=361) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=363)