# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 363
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2024, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7373 "2024-08-07T14:27:48Z")
> [@Cardigan](#): > > We can’t realistically expect to see Ukraine seizing and holding on to any territory here. I don’t think there’s any strategic need to seize and hold Russian territory at this point. But the raids will tie up defensive forces and have an effect on Russian public morale. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2024, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7374 "2024-08-07T15:25:49Z")
So, a Doolittle Raid? ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2024, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7375 "2024-08-07T15:34:07Z")
Or more like a British Commando raid. Hit them behind the lines where it can hurt them out of proportion of your invested resources, and force them to defend a much larger area, draining their resources. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2024, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7376 "2024-08-07T17:02:24Z")
I’ve been expecting a raid like that for awhile. There are obvious military targets like an Air Base or Supply Depot. There have been reported attacks by Russian partisans. Apparently Russian security is lax areas where they don’t expect attacks by ground forces. > **[Russia took this part of Ukraine — it's now facing a new enemy inside the...](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-10/russia-facing-threat-from-crimean-partisan-movements/103082270)** > > Partisans in Crimea claim they provided critical intelligence to Ukraine's armed forces about Russia's Black Sea navy headquarters before it was destroyed by a missile attack in September. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7377 "2024-08-08T00:22:05Z")
as per ISW: _ **Ukrainian forces have made confirmed advances up to 10 kilometers into Russia’s Kursk Oblast amid continued mechanized offensive operations on Russian territory on August 7.** Geolocated footage published on August 6 and 7 shows that Ukrainian armored vehicles have advanced to positions along the 38K-030 route about 10 kilometers from the international border.[1] The current confirmed extent and location of Ukrainian advances in Kursk Oblast indicate that Ukrainian forces have penetrated at least two Russian defensive lines and a stronghold.[2] A Russian insider source claimed that Ukrainian forces have seized 45 square kilometers of territory within Kursk Oblast since they launched the operation on August 6, and other Russian sources reported that Ukrainian forces have captured 11 total settlement…_ [![](https://www.understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/UAF%20Kursk%20Incursion%20August%207%2C%202024.png) ](https://www.understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/UAF%20Kursk%20Incursion%20August%207%2C%202024.png) here some 40 russian POW / Surrendered at the checkpoint [![](https://storage.united24media.com/thumbs/1014x676/c/77/0b8015020bac239d8980ebe5db48577c.jpg) ](https://storage.united24media.com/thumbs/1014x676/c/77/0b8015020bac239d8980ebe5db48577c.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7378 "2024-08-08T09:24:56Z")
And there might be some symbolic/psychological value to tweaking Russia’s tail in [Kursk.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kursk) ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7379 "2024-08-08T13:26:09Z")
Russia is getting their butt kicked. Why is the White House contacting Ukraine? They’re obviously disrupting the [Russian summer offensive.](https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2024/aug/08/how-russias-summer-offensive-is-reshaping-the-war-in-ukraine) It’s exactly why Russia attacked near Kharkiv. Pin down the troops. Guardian live > [@](#): > > - Ukrainian forces including armoured vehicles have made **confirmed advances of up to 10km into Russia’s Kursk oblast** , the Institute for the Study of War said on Wednesday evening. “The current confirmed extent and location of Ukrainian advances in Kursk oblast indicate that Ukrainian forces have penetrated at least **two Russian defensive lines and a stronghold** ,” the US-based thinktank said in its Wednesday evening update. “Russian insider source and several other Russian sources reported that Ukrainian forces fought for and seized the Sudzha checkpoint and the Sudzha gas distribution station.” ISW cited geolocated footage and satellite imagery, and said the Ukrainians had taken dozens of prisoners of war. > - The White House was contacting Ukraine to learn the **“objectives” of a major incursion across the border into Russia** , the White House press secretary, Karine Jean-Pierre, said on Wednesday. Washington supported “common sense” actions by Ukraine to stop attacks by Russian forces, Jean-Pierre added. “We’re going to reach out to the Ukrainian military to learn more about their objectives. > - Vladimir Putin described it as a **“large-scale provocation”** as Ukrainian officials remained silent about the scope of the operation. Matthew Miller, US state department spokesperson, dismissed Moscow’s condemnations. “I have seen the statements from the Russian government. It is a **little bit rich, them calling it a provocation** , given Russia violated Ukraine’s territorial integrity and sovereignty. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7380 "2024-08-08T13:32:12Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Why is the White House contacting Ukraine? It’s a diplomacy thing, designed to make the US look unconnected to the incursion into Russia. Everyone knows why Ukraine is doing it, and everyone knows the US knows why. But the niceties must occasionally be observed. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7381 "2024-08-08T13:34:49Z")
The timing of the Ukraine attack coincides with the Russian Summer offensive. They identified a weakness in the Russian lines. Brilliant tactics. I linked a Guardian article about the Summer Offensive. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7382 "2024-08-08T13:47:51Z")
I just learned that with this raid Ukraine succeeded in cutting the northern rail resupply route for Russia’s Kharkiv offensive. This will make resupply at least 50% more difficult. They’re going to have to re-route everything to the southeast now, further lengthening and taxing Russia’s already strained rail logistics capacity. This was a really smart raid accomplished with great economy of force. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7383 "2024-08-08T13:57:14Z")
Ah, a classic spoiling attack. Good on 'em. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7384 "2024-08-08T14:03:40Z")
Seizing the Sudzha gas distribution station is very important for Ukraine and Europe’s natural gas supply. [https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/gas-transit-flows-are-normal-amid-reported-clashes-near-russias-sudzha-kyiv-says-2024-08-07/](https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/gas-transit-flows-are-normal-amid-reported-clashes-near-russias-sudzha-kyiv-says-2024-08-07/) > [@](#): > > Currently, about 42 million cubic metres of gas passes through Sudzha every day. The total annual transit volume is about 14 billion cubic metres. > > “As of 1300 Kyiv time (1000 GMT), gas is being transported to European customers as usual, without any changes. Nominations have been confirmed and the physical flow of gas is maintained,” the operator told Reuters. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7385 "2024-08-08T16:07:21Z")
> [@Cardigan](#): > > I just learned that with this raid Ukraine succeeded in cutting the northern rail resupply route for Russia’s Kharkiv offensive. This will make resupply at least 50% more difficult. They’re going to have to re-route everything to the southeast now, further lengthening and taxing Russia’s already strained rail logistics capacity. This was a really smart raid accomplished with great economy of force. well, it will mostly depend on where the UKRs are - say a week from today … If they manage to dig their heels in there and create some sort of bridgehead … then yes … if they just did a successful nuisance-atack and are behind their border in a week, then no permanent harm (to RU) was done … well, RU will still stock up on defense forces in the near future to not been cought with egg-on-face again. anyway - fingers crossed!!! ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7386 "2024-08-09T12:42:04Z")
Wouldn’t be surprised if Russia whipped out the tactical nukes if this incursion gains ground. Putin will be in a position where he has little left to lose anyway ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7387 "2024-08-09T12:54:21Z")
The Ukrainian forces involved in the Kursk raid I understand are not large in number and quite dispersed. Not a good target for even tactical nukes. ---
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A lot more details of the Kurst offensive. Major black eye for Russia. > **[‘Doing the least obvious thing’: Ukraine embarrasses Putin with surprise...](https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/10/europe/ukraine-putin-embarrasses-surprise-assault-analysis-intl/index.html)** > > At a Kremlin meeting on Wednesday, Vladimir Putin fixed the commander in chief of Russia’s military, General Valery Gerasimov, with a cold stare and a look of exasperation. The video, released Wednesday by the Kremlin, showed the... ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7392 "2024-08-11T02:21:35Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > A lot more details of the Kurst offensive. Major black eye for Russia. > > [https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/10/europe/ukraine-putin-embarrasses-surprise-assault-analysis-intl/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/10/europe/ukraine-putin-embarrasses-surprise-assault-analysis-intl/index.html) Yeah, I mean the surprise is understandable. I mean, who would ever think of attacking Russia at _Kursk_ …oh wait… 🤪 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=362) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=364)