# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 364
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7393 "2024-08-11T05:20:22Z")
It sounds to me as though the Ukraine army is attempting to fully encircle Ukraine, such that in about 8 months time, they will say to Moscow, _ok, you may have Rostov-na-Don back, in exchange for Donbas and Krimea_. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 10:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7394 "2024-08-11T10:45:06Z")
But can they manage the supply logistics to expand and hold so much more territory? ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Sudan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chad_sudan/32/4509_2.png) [@Chad\_Sudan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chad_Sudan)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7395 "2024-08-11T13:54:07Z")
A senior Ukrainian official [interviewed by the _Guardian_](https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/11/thousands-of-ukrainian-troops-aim-to-destabilise-russia-with-kursk-incursion) said he thought Russia would, “in the end,” stop the Ukrainian incursion. It seems this is a limited expedition, not a major offensive. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7396 "2024-08-11T14:02:48Z")
Many, many articles on the Kursk Incursion gathered together on the [BBC.com](http://BBC.com) > **[Ukraine-Russia war latest: Moscow promises 'tough response' to Ukraine's...](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cze5n6w06j3t)** > > Russia has so far struggled to halt the Ukrainian advance, with more than 76,000 people evacuated from its Kursk region. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7397 "2024-08-11T14:10:23Z")
Russia has started digging fortifications around the power plant. That’s expected. Ukraine needed to take control of the power plant on day 1. Using surprise, if that was an objective. He’s using geolocated video. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/DejeJxOjj7k/maxresdefault.jpg "Kursk Update: Russia Digs Fortifications Near Nuclear Power Plant, Ukraine Enters Makhnovka") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DejeJxOjj7k) ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7398 "2024-08-11T18:01:35Z")
Now 30km inside of Russia. > **[Ukraine troops now up to 30km inside Russia's Kursk region, Moscow says](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crkm08rv5m0o)** > > Russia's defence ministry said it had engaged in fighting near two villages, some 25-30km inside Russia. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7399 "2024-08-11T18:35:36Z")
Which is what you would say if there was a major offensive coming up. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7400 "2024-08-11T19:24:15Z")
the current best bet on how things are going is probably out of the NASA/Fire realtime sat pictures: > **[NASA-FIRMS](https://firms.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov/map/#m:advanced;d:24hrs,24hrs;l:fires_landsat_landsat,fires_modis_aqua,fires_modis_terra,fires_viirs_noaa20,fires_viirs_noaa21,fires_viirs_snpp,countries,landsat_human,earth;%4034.96,51.40,10.49z)** > > Fire Information for Resource Management System I see fire way north of E38 East-West Highway, and north of L´Gov (which is a very important train-hub) [![](https://i.postimg.cc/50y2cscZ/FIRMS-24hrs-24hrs-34-99-51-49-11-03z.jpg) ](https://i.postimg.cc/50y2cscZ/FIRMS-24hrs-24hrs-34-99-51-49-11-03z.jpg) (could of course be due to natural causes or artillery/Himars, etc…) ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7401 "2024-08-11T19:38:58Z")
another vid. of a non-trivial number of chechen fighters captured by the incursionists… Link removed by What Exit? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7402 "2024-08-11T19:41:59Z")
I’m pretty sure we err on the side of caution when it comes to showing POWs. I’m going to remove your link. You didn’t do anything wrong, this is an erring on the side of caution. Sorry. **Moderating:** ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7403 "2024-08-11T20:17:27Z")
There are Chechens fighting on both sides. Some of those who surrendered may be hoping for a job fighting against the Russians. ---
**Author:** ![Kelevra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/97f17d/32.png) [@Kelevra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kelevra)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7404 "2024-08-11T22:59:03Z")
Looks like Russia started a tire fire at the ZNP. Probably reminding UKR that they can cause a lot of problems. > ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2024, 9:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7405 "2024-08-12T09:55:42Z")
> [@Kelevra](#): > > Looks like Russia started a tire fire at the ZNP. Probably reminding UKR that they can cause a lot of problems. I don’t understand. Those are cooling towers, right? Did they put tires in it and set them on fire? ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2024, 10:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7406 "2024-08-12T10:31:43Z")
> **[Russia convenes informal UN Security Council meeting to address Ukraine's...](https://english.nv.ua/nation/russia-convenes-un-security-council-meeting-to-complain-about-alleged-attacks-by-the-ua-armed-forces-50442101.html)** > > Russia convenes UN Security Council members informal meeting to complain about the Ukrainian Armed Forces alleged attack on its Kursk Oblast, the Ukrainian media outlet Ukrinform reported on Aug. 11. The only friends the Russian’s have on the Security Council are China, but China only likes to whisper sweet nothings into Russian ears in private, the rest will be dying of laughter. I wonder if someone will ask Lavrov if peace negotiations must start from the acceptance of the “new territorial realities”? ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2024, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7407 "2024-08-12T13:42:09Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Did they put tires in it and set them on fire? On the roof, I would assume. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2024, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7408 "2024-08-12T13:50:54Z")
It’s a cooling tower. It’s hollow on the inside to all the way down to maybe 20 feet above ground level, and then a large concrete basin at ground level. The glow of the fire is visible through the air inlet slots at ground level, so presumably the fire was built there, meaning the heat exchange medium layer above that is shot. [![](https://www.cooling-towers.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/hyperbolic-cooling-tower-principle.jpg) ](https://www.cooling-towers.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/hyperbolic-cooling-tower-principle.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2024, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7409 "2024-08-12T14:02:29Z")
A cooling tower is simply a very wide chimney. Hot gas goes up, sucking in cooler air at the bottom. The curvature optimizes the volume of air that moves through. Ideally, all chimneys have a hyperboloid shape, but on smaller scales it doesn’t significantly matter. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2024, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7410 "2024-08-12T14:11:38Z")
The only sense I can make of it is that Russia expects to lose control of the plant soon, and wants to deny it to Ukraine, and this was the best way they could think of to quickly damage it. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2024, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7411 "2024-08-12T15:14:21Z")
Guessing, tire fire is outside of it and it’s sucking the smoke in. Like I said, guessing. ---
**Author:** ![MikeF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MikeF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeF)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7412 "2024-08-13T00:43:19Z")
There are before an after photos of a strike on Lipetsk airfield that purportedly show where up to 700 glide bombs were destroyed. No runways or aircraft are in the pictures. I checked it out on Google Earth and found the location in the pictures. The photo is dated 2024 and shows a lot (80+) of military aircraft parked very close to each other. Sitting ducks. Is there any information as to whether or not that many (or any)planes were present with the strike took place? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=363) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=365)