# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 367
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2024, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7453 "2024-08-18T17:57:19Z")
Ukraine put a whooping on a 2nd bridge. Needs another strike to completely destroy it. > **[Ukraine forces blow hole in second Russian bridge in Kursk region – video](https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2024/aug/18/ukraine-forces-blow-hole-in-second-russian-bridge-in-kursk-region-video)** > > Ukraine's military has released footage purporting to show an attack on a second bridge over the Seym River ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2024, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7454 "2024-08-18T19:37:58Z")
[The Washington Post takes a look](https://wapo.st/3AuKhUy) at how Putin is handling the incursion, at some length, and concludes that (a) it shows a recurrent weakness in how he handles a crisis, and (b) it’s not going to lead to his ouster. This should be a gift link. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2024, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7455 "2024-08-18T21:58:10Z")
The second bridge strike has apparently trapped 700 Russian soldiers. The source is Ukrainian so take with a pinch of salt. > **[Exclusive: Ukrainian military drives Russian troops into Kursk ‘pocket’](https://english.nv.ua/nation/ukrainian-forces-surround-up-to-700-russian-soldiers-in-kursk-cauldron-50443890.html)** > > The Ukrainian Armed Forces are driving Russians into a cauldron during the Kursk offensive, military observer Vasyl Pekhnio told Radio NV on Aug. 18. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2024, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7456 "2024-08-19T00:16:44Z")
Not for me. Sorry, but I appreciate the thought! ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2024, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7457 "2024-08-19T00:29:18Z")
Well, darn it – the WashPost said my share was one of my monthly gift articles. Lemme see if I can pick out a quote or two. Here’s the headline: > # Kremlin response to Kursk incursion shows how Putin freezes in a crisis > > When Russian President Vladimir Putin’s authority is tested, his response often lacks quick, decisive action that lives up to his bellicose rhetoric. Some text of the article, starting at the beginning: > Moscow’s slow, fumbling military response to Ukraine’s surprise occupation of parts of the western Kursk region is the latest example of the Kremlin chief failing to respond with quick, decisive action to match his bellicose rhetoric. > > The Kursk incursion is the fourth major blow to Putin’s authority since his February 2022 invasion of Ukraine and highlights the weaknesses of a top-down autocracy that operates largely on fear and punishment. Another paragraph: > During a televised meeting of security officials on Monday, Putin appeared more rattled than usual as he read remarks from a thick notepad of scrawled black handwriting. He also irritably cut off Kursk’s acting governor, Andrei Smirnov, when he dared to openly disclose the scale of the incursion: 28 villages captured and at least 2,000 Russians missing in territory taken by Ukraine. And this is from the part discussing why the latest crisis won’t topple Putin, and is as much as fair use would permit, I believe. The whole article is much longer. > But the continued damage to Putin’s authority after a catastrophic war and repeated shocks does not translate to an internal threat to his power. Nor is there a risk his regime might collapse in the foreseeable future, according to analysts. > > Stanovaya said that many Russians, particularly members of the elite, had come to expect the worst in the war but realized that there was no alternative to Putin in Russia’s repressive political system. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2024, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7458 "2024-08-19T00:34:02Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > Not for me. Sorry, but I appreciate the thought! It is, but you have to log in (with a free account) to access it. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2024, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7459 "2024-08-19T16:59:12Z")
Several Kursk updates since yesterday. Two more Russian villages, Snagost and Apanasovka were captured. > **[Three bridges over Seym River in Russia now destroyed by Ukraine](https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/19/bridges-seym-river-russia-ukraine)** > > Last major crossing on this part of front in Kursk region hit overnight as Ukraine aims to expand ‘buffer zone’ > [@](#): > > Ukraine’s armed forces are now poised to push forward from their existing bridgehead around the Russian town of Sudzha, captured two weeks ago [during a surprise offensive](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/aug/17/putin-russia-ukraine-incursion-kursk). They are seeking to encircle Russian troops – some of them conscripts – who are stuck south of the river in the Korenevsky district. > > If the operation succeeds, [Ukraine](https://www.theguardian.com/world/ukraine) will gain another 700 sq km (270 sq miles) of Russian land. Russia has built pontoon bridges across the river in order to supply its forces, but these are vulnerable to close-range Ukrainian strikes from US-supplied Himars systems, truck-mounted mobile rocket launchers. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2024, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7460 "2024-08-19T18:01:15Z")
Meanwhile, Russia is poised to take the city of Pokrovsk, which would be a big setback for Ukraine. > Pokrovsk is one of Ukraine’s main defensive strongholds and a key logistics hub in the Donetsk region. Its capture would compromise Ukraine’s defensive abilities and supply routes and would bring Russia closer to its stated aim of capturing the entire Donetsk region. > **[Civilians flee Pokrovsk as Russia's army bears down on the key eastern...](https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-evacuation-order-pokrovsk-b8c4c6cc0dd81658fecdf1c83145908d)** > > Russian troops have been pushing toward the eastern city of Pokrovsk for months. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2024, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7461 "2024-08-19T18:45:48Z")
_ **Germany has updated the list of military aid delivered to the Armed Forces of Ukraine:** _ - 2 IRIS-T SLS launchers - 10 Sonobot 5 USVs - 26 Vector UAVs - 1 Bergepanzer - 2 ARV 6 High Mobility Engineer Excavators (armoured) - 50 CR 308 rifles - 10 HLR 338 precision rifles - 700 MK 556 assault rifles - 14,000 155mm shells - Material for explosive ordnance disposal - 55,000 First aid kits Expecting a large US transfer shortly. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2024, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7462 "2024-08-19T21:44:12Z")
Quite a nice setup. It probably had been a rear area base for years. The communication gear might provide intel on the locations of other units. [https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-touts-capture-large-group-soldiers-inside-russia-2024-08-15/](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-touts-capture-large-group-soldiers-inside-russia-2024-08-15/) > [@](#): > > The 102 servicemen of Russia’s 488th Guards Motorized Rifle Regiment and its “Akhmat” unit are the largest group of soldiers to be captured at the same time since Russia launched its full-scale [invasion](https://www.reuters.com/world/ukraine-russia-war/), a source in the SBU said. > > “They captured and cleared a sprawling, concrete and well-fortified company stronghold from all sides - with underground communications and personnel accommodation, a canteen, an armoury and even a bathhouse,” the source said. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2024, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7463 "2024-08-19T22:07:14Z")
When this Kursk campaign started, everyone thought that it was a quick in-and-out raid. I wonder, was that Ukraine’s actual original plan? Maybe they were as caught by surprise as everyone else by the lack of resistance, and just adapted the plan on the fly to sticking around and expanding into more territory. Of course, that adaptability is a symptom of Ukraine’s democratic leadership, as opposed to Russia’s autocratic inflexibility, and is a large part of why Ukraine has fared as well as it has in this war. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2024, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7464 "2024-08-19T23:39:17Z")
The soldiers in Kursk were mostly poorly trained conscripts. I agree Ukraine has been surprised at how unprepared Kursk was for war. I’ve read the road signs were still up. I am surprised a Chechen “Akhmat” special forces unit also surrendered. Don’t they chew nails for breakfast? 😉 More on the recent surrender. The pictures show a well built trench complex. Stocked with weapons, ammunition and food. Ukraine may want to use it for their area operations. Link [Ukraine Nabs Over 100 Russian Troops in Kursk – Largest Capture in a Single Operation](https://www.kyivpost.com/post/37429) > [@](#): > > On the morning of Thursday, Aug. 15, the project “I Want to Live,” which helps Russians voluntarily surrender to Ukrainian captivity, wrote on its Telegram channel that the hundred or more Russian soldiers had been abandoned by their commanders and, therefore, made the sensible decision to surrender. > “It is hard to fight when you are commanded by vigilantes and treasury thieves, and your flanks are “covered” by Kadyrov’s bandits who throw everything and everyone just to avoid being captured themselves,” the post read. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7465 "2024-08-20T05:52:10Z")
3rd and final bridge destroyed in Kursk, will probably make resupply of Russian troops very difficult. > **[Ukraine destroys 3rd key bridge, threatening to cut off Russian troops, amid...](https://abcnews.go.com/International/ukraine-destroys-3rd-key-bridge-threatening-cut-off/story?id=112939280)** > > The Ukrainian military demolished another bridge critically important for supplying Russian troops, the Air Force said Sunday. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7466 "2024-08-20T13:05:56Z")
It’s a huge diesel oil fire. 500 firefighters are battling it. Very Difficult to put out. Meanwhile Civilians flee Pokrovsk as Russia’s army bears down on the key eastern Ukraine city. Nothing Ukraine does breaks the focus of the Russian military on taking Pokrovsk. > **[A massive fire rages for a third day at a Russian oil depot targeted in a...](https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-0701b3c7f51d1dd1b6e74390f2201339)** > > Russian authorities are struggling to put out a massive fire in the southern Rostov region for a third day after an oil depot was hit by Ukrainian drones as Ukrainian forces push into Russia’s Kursk region. Guardian live > [@](#): > > Russian authorities struggled Tuesday to put out a massive fire in the southern **Rostov** region for a third consecutive day after an oil depot was hit by Ukrainian drones as Ukrainian forces push further into Russia’s Kursk region. > > The fire at the depot in the town of **Proletarsk** burned across an area of 10,000 square meters, according to Russian state news agencies. There are 500 firefighters involved in the operation, and 41 of them already have been hospitalised with injuries, according to the Russian state-owned news agency TASS, citing local officials. > > Ukraine’s Army General Staff claimed responsibility Sunday for attacking the oil depot, which was used to supply the needs of Russia’s army, calling it a measure “to undermine the military and economic potential of the Russian Federation. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2024, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7467 "2024-08-21T02:34:05Z")
Ukraine drones attack Moscow suburb. > ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2024, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7468 "2024-08-21T12:21:01Z")
I think, that UKR being already “behind” the front line, can send now pretty much anything the start out of that salient to any (unprotected) target in RU. I wonder why they are not plastering Kursk-City (relevant targets, not civil ones) … to create some sort of a highted sense of urgency of people less than 50km away from the frontline … a stampede of 500.000 people would put a lot of pressure and strain on the small man? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2024, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7469 "2024-08-21T14:37:50Z")
The main point of invading Kursk and Belgorod Oblasts (and eventually Voronezh and Rostov) is to cut off the Russian army from its supply lines, the same reason for attacking the bridge to Crimea. Hitting relevant targets near the city will be helpful, but Ukraine army really wants to work toward encircling the Russians and squeezing their already weak logistics. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2024, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7470 "2024-08-21T20:15:06Z")
So if you’re using Tinder or Bumble and you’re near the Kursk area, you may want to delete your profile, or you might get in trouble. And put away your phone! > **[Quit dating apps, Russia tells border region citizens over security fears | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/21/world/russia-dating-apps-border-intl/index.html)** > > Russian authorities have urged people in the border regions to stop using dating apps and limit their use of social media to prevent Ukrainian forces from gathering intelligence as it presses on with its incursion into the Kursk region. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2024, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7471 "2024-08-21T23:09:06Z")
information on twitter and reddit (so preparte to take with a healthy dose of salt for the time being!) inform of a newly opened front where UKR is entering RU - right next to Gomel [https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/1ey07xr/special\_operation\_in\_bryansk/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/1ey07xr/special_operation_in_bryansk/) the sector of the map is right in the part where RU, UKR and BELARUS are joining … probably have to wait a couple of days to get a (true/false) confirmation [![](https://i.postimg.cc/Kz93DSms/image.png) ](https://i.postimg.cc/Kz93DSms/image.png) ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2024, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7472 "2024-08-21T23:59:59Z")
> [@Al128](#): > > information on twitter and reddit (so preparte to take with a healthy dose of salt for the time being!) inform of a newly opened front where UKR is entering RU - right next to Gomel It seems to me like it would be a good spot to attack. Attacking Ukrainian forces will be protected on the flank next to Belarus, assuming Lukashenko stays out of it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=366) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=368)