# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 368
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2024, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7473 "2024-08-22T00:11:23Z")
this was my first thought, too … but then my second was: what if the UKR make their way into RU along the border, but get attacked from RU soldiers via the Belarus border … they’d (UKR) be in a bind: - not shooting back … with all that goes with that - or shooting back, risking Belarus entering the war “to defend themselves against the UKR aggression” … and opening yet another very long front to B-Rus so, they are really gambling that B-Rus will stay out, as Luka prob. knows that entering a war will prob. be his Ceausescu moment(B-Rus armed forces are thought of being even worse prepared than RU soldiers and they def. do not want to fight) curious if ISW will have any news on that today or tomorrow … they are normally quite good at vetting information ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2024, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7474 "2024-08-22T01:38:47Z")
Practically speaking, Belarus is already in the war anyway. The only meaningful thing they can do is allow Russian troops free access to their territory, which they already are. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2024, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7475 "2024-08-22T21:01:45Z")
I’m a bit confused. There are recent reports that [troops are continually being trained in Britain](https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/royal-gibraltar-regiment-helps-train-ukrainian-soldiers/). While [Some are getting specialized training.](https://knewz.com/ukraine-sends-troops-to-britain-to-learn-how-to-use-killer-starstreak-the-worlds-fastest-surface-to-air-missiles/). Other European countries are also helping with Ukrainian training. Ukraine shouldn’t be wasting precious lives by sending untrained and unprepared soldiers directly to the front. As this article points out, it gets people needlessly killed. Heartlessly killing thousands of raw conscripts is Russia’s bullshit mistake in this war. Ukraine shouldn’t be wasting their recruits. [When 40,000 are being professionally trained.([Britain to train over 40,000 Ukrainian troops by end of year](https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/britain-to-train-over-40000-ukrainian-troops-by-end-of-year/)) **in 2024**. > **[Poorly trained recruits contribute to loss of Ukrainian territory on eastern...](https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-new-recruits-pokrovsk-ed2d06ad529e3b7e47ecd32f79911b83)** > > Ukrainian commanders and soldiers say some new troops refuse to fire at the enemy. Others struggle to assemble weapons or to coordinate basic combat movements. > [@](#): > > While Ukraine presses on with its [incursion into Russia’s Kursk region](https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-kursk-incursion-bridge-invasion-43d6579c82c24ffc5cfabd99d07c66db), its troops are still losing precious ground along the country’s eastern front — a grim erosion that military commanders blame in part on poorly trained recruits drawn from a recent mobilization drive, as well as Russia’s clear superiority in ammunition and air power. > > “Some people don’t want to shoot. They see the enemy in the firing position in trenches but don’t open fire. … That is why our men are dying,” said a frustrated battalion commander in Ukraine’s 47th Brigade. “When they don’t use the weapon, they are ineffective. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2024, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7476 "2024-08-22T21:22:43Z")
“Poorly trained” is a relative term. They’re not sending people to the front completely untrained, but they’re also not training them as well as they’d like. Because they can’t; they don’t have time. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2024, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7477 "2024-08-22T21:50:44Z")
The troops completing the UK training should be reasonably fit and competent. But even 40,000 a year (linked report already) isn’t enough for this war. Ukraine probably has their own training camps that’s shorter and more rushed. I haven’t seen any news covering them. It’s restricted information. They’re pushing out cannon fodder. I hate that reality but Ukraine has no other choice. Russia human wave tactics requires a lot of soldiers firing back. ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7478 "2024-08-23T04:35:34Z")
I’d speculate they’ve pulled their best-trained troops out of those desperate-defense fronts (where arguably training makes less difference) and are sending them to the new Kursk front. ---
**Author:** ![CaveMike](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cavemike/32/16379_2.png) [@CaveMike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaveMike)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7479 "2024-08-23T12:28:43Z")
> [@](#): > > Putin is reported to have ordered his forces to push back Ukrainian troops from the Kursk region by October 1, according to RBC Ukraine. > **[Putin shifts blame as Kursk failures dampen Russians' approval](https://www.newsweek.com/putin-ukraine-kursk-incursion-approval-1943368)** > > The incursion has made Putin "nervous," "The Moscow Times" reported, citing unnamed Kremlin officials. ---
**Author:** ![CaveMike](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cavemike/32/16379_2.png) [@CaveMike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaveMike)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7480 "2024-08-23T12:29:47Z")
And a scapegoat has been selected for leaving Kursk undefended: > **[Top general behind Russia's 2022 Lyman retreat blamed for Kursk failures](https://www.newsweek.com/russia-kursk-ukraine-incursion-colonel-general-alexander-lapin-1942403)** > > Colonel General Alexander Lapin was criticized by several Russian military figures after Ukraine retook the key eastern logistics hub of Lyman in 2022. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7481 "2024-08-23T12:37:35Z")
There’s a real Hitler vibe here. > [@](#): > > At a virtual meeting held by Putin Thursday on the situation in Russia’s Belgorod, Bryansk and Kursk regions, which border Ukraine, the president told regional officials that the “security issues” in Kursk “are problems that are the responsibility of the security agencies.” Hitler was notorious for blaming his generals for failing to carry out his “very clear” orders, despite conditions, available supplies, troop levels, etc. Autocrats come to believe that their will and their orders are inviolable. “You _will_ take that territory. You will _not_ retreat.” ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7482 "2024-08-23T14:06:12Z")
“Ccolonel General Alexander Lapin” I assume he would outrank Corporal Captain O’Reilly? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7483 "2024-08-23T14:11:52Z")
A Colonel General was used in the German Nations, somewhere along the lines Russia adopted it. No weirder really then our Major or Lt. General. Indeed, it appears Russia has One Star = Major General, Two Star = Lieutenant General and Three Star is Colonel General. _But anything further should probably go to its own thread._ ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7484 "2024-08-23T14:14:10Z")
The news is encouraging that Moscow is rattled by the Kursk incursion. Evacuations are something that can’t be hidden from the Russian people. Their concerns about the war will eventually be felt in the Kremlin. I’m not sure how the security forces can wave their hands and make this go away. Ukraine has powerful weapons and a trained military. Pushing them out of Kursk won’t be easy. > [@](#): > > Regional officials told Putin on Thursday that 115,000 Kursk residents have so far been evacuated from their homes due to the incursion. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7485 "2024-08-23T14:32:13Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > “Poorly trained” is a relative term. They’re not sending people to the front completely untrained, but they’re also not training them as well as they’d like. Because they can’t; they don’t have time. This is a fairly classic problem in big wars. You need guys now, but were they to get a few months more training, they’d be vastly more effective. What is happening, to clear up @aceplace57 's confusion, is that some guys are being rushed to plug holes, and some guys are getting the training they need. As it always has been in these things. Even in WWII, Allied troops varied in terms of the training they got. A regular infantryman in the 4th Infantry Division was not the equal of a paratrooper in the 101st. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7486 "2024-08-23T14:46:26Z")
A report and photos of significant damage at a Russian air base 300 km from the front lines. Might be the biggest loss yet in the conflict. > **[Russian Jets Damaged In Ukrainian Long-Range Drone Attack On Air Base](https://www.twz.com/news-features/russian-jets-damaged-in-ukrainian-long-range-drone-attack-on-air-base)** > > Images taken after the attack on Marinovka Air Base in Russia show several shelters containing Su-24s and Su-34s were affected by the strikes. ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7487 "2024-08-23T15:13:09Z")
The Russian State/Media are treating it like they would a natural disaster. Footage of handing out water bottles, blankets, etc. So it’s covered, but no tie the war. I had at first assumed the Ukraine invasion would help Putin with morale/recruiting, but if they’re just going to pretend it’s not happening I’m not sure how that will work. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7488 "2024-08-23T17:12:14Z")
Russia is bombing their own territory. Bombs that otherwise would be hitting Ukraine. > **[Russian forces bomb their own villages occupied by Ukraine in the Kursk Oblast...](https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/08/21/russian-forces-bombing-their-own-villages-occupied-by-ukraine-in-the-kursk-oblast-general-staff/)** > > Russia dropped 27 guided bombs on its own territory since morning. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7489 "2024-08-23T18:32:51Z")
Ukrainian Navy has sunk the Russian Conro Trader railway ferry, an important link in Russia’s supply chain. > **[Ukrainian Navy confirms destruction of Russia's Conro Trader ferry](https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukrainian-navy-confirms-destruction-russias-072636906.html)** > > The Ukrainian Navy has confirmed the destruction of the Russian Conro Trader railway ferry on 22 August in the port of Kavkaz in Krasnodar Krai, Russia's southwest. Source: Captain Dmytro Pletenchuk, Spokesman for the Ukrainian Navy on Radio Svoboda... ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7490 "2024-08-23T19:10:21Z")
That is just a few miles from the bridge over the Kerch strait that has been damaged a few times. You would think the Russians would have really good security around that area. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7491 "2024-08-23T19:14:20Z")
What a goddamned catastrophe. I mean, seriously. Russia has managed to kill tens of thousands of people and it’s been a deadlock for two years. They have accomplished nothing. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7492 "2024-08-23T19:22:24Z")
Eventually Russia will realize they have to reach a peace agreement. They’ve taken this war much further than Afghanistan. They finally pulled out there when it became unsustainable. Ukraine is really hammering Russia’s supply lines and airfields. None are really fatal blows but added together it’s making a difference. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=367) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=369)