# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 371
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2024, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7533 "2024-08-29T13:24:04Z")
Ukraine wants to use missiles against Russian Airfields. It’s being discussed at this weeks EU conference. As usual, it ultimately comes down to approval from Washington. > **[Let Ukraine strike Russia and keep the momentum, Kuleba urges EU](https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2024/08/29/let-ukraine-strike-deep-into-russia-and-keep-the-momentum-kuleba-urges-eu-countries)** > > Dmytro Kuleba has urged EU countries to take "bold decisions" and allow Ukraine to use donated weapons to strike deep into Russian territory. #EuropeNews > [@](#): > > Standing by Kuleba’s side, Josep Borrell, the EU’s foreign policy chief, gave his full backing and said the restrictions placed on Western-supplied weapons should be lifted in accordance with international law to enable the right to self-defence. > > “It’s clear that Russia wants to destroy completely the electricity system of Ukraine in order to put Ukraine into the dark and cold for the next winter,” Borrell said on Thursday. “Russia wants to bomb a European country into full capitulation.” > > The matter, however, lies primarily in Washington DC, where the Joe Biden administration maintains limits on long-range ballistic missiles fearing an escalation of the conflict. The United Kingdom, another key donor, is also reluctant, pending America’s approval. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2024, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7534 "2024-08-29T21:29:29Z")
Sad news. A Ukrainian F-16 crashed during a combat mission, killing a renowned Ukrainian Air Force fighter pilot. Cause unknown at this time, but the news reports I saw didn’t characterize it as lost to hostile action. > **[Exclusive: Top Ukrainian pilot killed when US-made F-16 fighter jet crashed |...](https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/29/europe/ukraine-f16-crashes-intl/index.html)** > > A top Ukrainian pilot was killed when a US-made F-16 fighter jet crashed on Monday, just weeks after the long-awaited planes arrived in the country a Ukrainian military source told CNN. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2024, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7535 "2024-08-29T22:27:19Z")
The first crash was going to happen. Even the US lost planes in Iraq and Afghanistan. I feel bad for the Ukraine piolt and his family. Interesting inside look at Ukraine’s Drone production. Many are made out of wood and very inexpensive. People from many countries are assisting and developing tech to help Ukraine. Link [Ukraine's long-range strikes bring war home to Russia](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c6240qepyppo) > [@](#): > > Mr Serra-Martins, a former Australian Army Royal Engineer, set up the company with his Ukrainian co-founder, backed by US finance. It is one of at least three companies now producing drones in Ukraine at scale. > > He describes his drones as “basically flying furniture – we assemble it like Ikea”. > > It takes about an hour to build the fuselage and half that time to put the brains inside it – the electronics, motor and explosives. > > The company’s Bayonet drone costs a few thousand dollars. In contrast, a Russian air defence missile used to shoot it down can cost more than $1m > [@](#): > > British engineers from Palantir, working with Ukrainian counterparts, have designed a programme to generate and map the best ways to reach a target. Palantir makes clear it is not involved in the missions, but has helped train more than 1,000 Ukrainians how to use its software. > > The BBC has been shown how it works in principle. Using streams of data, it can map Russia’s air defences, radar and electronic jammers. The end product looks similar to a topographical chart. > > The tighter the contours, the heavier the air defences. The locations have already been identified by Ukraine using commercial satellite imagery and signals intelligence. > > Louis Mosley of Palantir says the programme is helping Ukraine to skirt around Russia’s electronic warfare and air defence systems to reach their target. > > “Understanding and visualising what that looks like across the entire battle space is really critical to optimising these missions,” he says ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2024, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7536 "2024-08-30T16:59:13Z")
This is very bad news for Ukraine. 😞 People following the war should watch for these cities names in the news. That’s where most battles are being fought. Link [Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, August 29, 2024 | Institute for the Study of War](https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-august-29-2024) > [@](#): > > **Russian forces appear to be attempting to maintain their rate of advance along the Novohrodivka-Hrodivka line to quickly seize Myrnohrad and reach the outskirts of Pokrovsk**. The reported Russian advance from Novohrodivka to Myrnohrad’s outskirts likely aims to bypass what Russian sources have characterized as major Ukrainian defensive positions northwest and west of Hrodivka.[6] Russian forces recently enveloped Ukrainian positions southeast of Pokrovsk along the Karlivske Reservoir and prompted Ukrainian forces to withdraw from limited positions in the area.[7] Russian forces likely hope to achieve a similar effect by trying to envelop Ukrainian positions between Myrnohrad and Hrodivka, although it remains unclear if Russian forces can maintain their relatively rapid rate of advance through the comparatively larger town of Myrnohrad and its surroundings. Russian forces may attempt to fight directly through Ukrainian defensive positions along the Novohrodivka-Hrodivka line, despite the higher costs, in order to maintain their rate of advance and try to seize Myrnohrad more quickly. Russian efforts to seize Myrnohrad do not preclude Russian forces from advancing up to the eastern outskirts of Pokrovsk, and the Russian military will likely pursue these tactical goals in tandem. ---
**Author:** ![bob\_2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bob_2/32/3341_2.png) [@bob\_2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bob_2)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7537 "2024-09-03T16:28:21Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Interesting inside look at Ukraine’s Drone production. Many are made out of wood and very inexpensive. It reminds me of the WW2 fighter/bomber/pathfinder. Arguably as significant as the Spitfires and Hurricanes. Built mostly from wood and canvas and the workers who built it were recruited from the furniture industry. //[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTsnMKzmdWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTsnMKzmdWs) ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7538 "2024-09-03T20:53:30Z")
Big blow for Ukraine > **[Ukraine says soldiers among 51 killed in Poltava missile attack](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1m0ylnkylko)** > > President Zelensky says two Russian missiles struck a military training institute. It doesn’t really affect the war directly but it must be a big morale hit when this sort of thing happens, besides the obvious personal tragedies felt by the families of the victims. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2024, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7539 "2024-09-04T01:11:07Z")
> [@bob\_2](#): > > It reminds me of the WW2 fighter/bomber/pathfinder. Arguably as significant as the Spitfires and Hurricanes. Built mostly from wood and canvas and the workers who built it were recruited from the furniture industry. > > //[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTsnMKzmdWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTsnMKzmdWs) I would say it was more significant than the Hurricane or Spitfire. If the powers that be had listened to deHavilland it would have entered the war sooner and taken the fight across the channel. The early fighters didn’t have the legs to project power. This may have been the most versatile plane of the war. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2024, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7540 "2024-09-04T11:57:29Z")
> [@bob\_2](#): > > It reminds me of the WW2 fighter/bomber/pathfinder. > [@Magiver](#): > > I would say it was more significant than the Hurricane or Spitfire. **If you are responding to something in a thread that is basically off-topic or likely to lead to a hijack, try this:** How to **Reply as a linked Topic** : Click Reply, in the upper left corner of the reply window is the reply type button, _looks like a curving arrow point to the right_. Choose **Reply as linked topic** and it starts a new thread. As an example, you can choose GD, IMHO or The Pit for it. That is actually the best method. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2024, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7541 "2024-09-04T19:32:56Z")
Poland has also scrambled their jets in response to the Russian attack, more out of caution than anything else. I don’t blame them. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2024, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7542 "2024-09-06T00:07:45Z")
Ukraine’s Commander-in-Chief Gen. Oleksandr Syrskyi sat down for an interview with CNN and discussed the Kursk offensive among other topics. > In what is the most detailed explanation of the rationale behind the incursion, Syrskyi outlined the key objectives of the operation: to stop Russia from using Kursk as a launchpad for a new offensive, to divert Moscow’s forces from other areas, to create a security zone and prevent cross-border shelling of civilian objects, to take prisoners of war and to boost the morale of the Ukrainian troops and the nation overall. > **[Exclusive: Ukraine army chief reveals the strategy behind Kursk incursion | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/05/europe/ukraine-army-chief-kursk-incursion-exclusive-intl/index.html)** > > Russia had been planning to launch a new attack on Ukraine from the Kursk region before Kyiv’s surprise cross-border incursion, Ukraine’s Commander-in-Chief Gen. Oleksandr Syrskyi told CNN in an exclusive interview Thursday. ---
**Author:** ![Kelevra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/97f17d/32.png) [@Kelevra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kelevra)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2024, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7543 "2024-09-06T13:50:22Z")
I’ve seen a number of videos of Ukraine using drones with thermite to burn out russian positions. From the videos it didn’t look particularly effective but apparently it is. Russians have talked about how to defend against it on Telegram and there are some videos of burned out positions. > ---
**Author:** ![Kelevra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/97f17d/32.png) [@Kelevra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kelevra)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2024, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7544 "2024-09-07T15:29:58Z")
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**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2024, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7545 "2024-09-10T15:36:28Z")
Ukraine attacked the Moscow region with more than 100 drones Tuesday, killing at least one person in the Moscow area, causing fires in high-rise buildings, and forcing the closure of major airports near the capital. This should be a gift link to the story in the New York Times: [[https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/10/world/europe/russia-moscow-drone-strike-ukraine.html?unlocked\_article\_code=1.Jk4.O3jF.kejAI8GfsNJM&smid=url-share](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/10/world/europe/russia-moscow-drone-strike-ukraine.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Jk4.O3jF.kejAI8GfsNJM&smid=url-share)]. Russian forces continue to threaten Pokrovsk, a key transit hub in southeastern Ukraine about 100 miles north of Mariupol. In addition, there are some reports Russia has retaken some of the Kursk territory Ukraine has occupied since early August. The U.S. and Great Britain have formally accused Iran of supplying short-range ballistic missiles to Russia for use against Ukraine. According to the Associated Press, the U.S., Britain, and Germany issued a joint statement calling the missile transfers “a direct threat to European security” and said they would impose penalties on Iran, including sanctions on individuals and entities involved in Iran’s ballistic missile program. ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7546 "2024-09-11T00:54:59Z")
I won’t post links, but in the last 2 days Denys Davydov has claimed in his Youtube channel: - the Kerch bridge “got tired”, from the photo it looks like it is sagging to one side at least - Russia is counter-attacking in the Kursk salient - the US has approved ATACMS for Ukraine ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7547 "2024-09-11T02:33:50Z")
US secretary of state, Blinken’s trip is encouraging. Three top leaders from the US and UK are meeting to discuss and hopefully can present something convincing to Biden. > **[Ukraine war briefing: ‘We’re working that out now’ – Biden on permitting...](https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/sep/11/ukraine-war-briefing-were-working-that-out-now-biden-on-long-range-strikes)** > > Blinken to meet Zelenskiy with approval to hit targets inside Russia on agenda; air cordon against Iran for supplying missiles to Moscow. What we know on day 931 > [@](#): > > Newspaper reports in the UK said that **Antony Blinken** , the US secretary of state, would discuss the issue with the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, when he **visits Ukraine today** in the company of David Lammy, the UK foreign secretary. > > - Britain and France build and supply **Storm Shadow and Scalp-EG cruise missiles to Ukraine,** but it is has become apparent that US technology is also involved and **Washington has held back** from approving that technology’s use for strikes inside Russian territory. Keir Starmer, the UK prime minister, is [due to meet with Biden in Washington on Friday](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/sep/09/starmer-flies-to-us-for-talks-with-biden-but-faces-harris-and-trump-snub). ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7548 "2024-09-11T02:48:00Z")
Ultimately, the damaged Russian economy may be the key to ending this war. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/J-nSESywFh8/maxresdefault.jpg "Putin's oligarchs panic as Ruble continues wobble following Kursk and exchange sanctions | Tim Ash") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-nSESywFh8) ---
**Author:** ![CaveMike](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cavemike/32/16379_2.png) [@CaveMike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaveMike)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2024, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7549 "2024-09-13T02:33:03Z")
The Russian counter-offensive into Kursk has begun: > **[Russia claims start of fightback in Kursk region](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd6y65d71g6o)** > > Moscow says it has recaptured 10 settlements seized by Ukrainian forces in a cross-border campaign. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2024, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7550 "2024-09-14T16:23:27Z")
ISW feel the Kursk was successful in distracting Russia from opening a wider front. > **[Institute for the Study of War](https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-september-13-2024)** > > The Ukrainian incursion into Kursk Oblast has reportedly spoiled planned Russian offensive operations along the international border area that likely aimed to expand the area of active combat operations across a broader front in northeastern Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2024, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7551 "2024-09-16T13:48:04Z")
Remember that one of Russia’s best drone operators was sent to fight as infantry and got rubbed out? [It seems he saw it coming.](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/two-russian-soldiers-predict-their-own-deaths-after-arguing-with-commanding-officer/ar-AA1qCtiQ) When I heard the news the other day, I thought it was a Russian ‘situation normal’ and that he’d been sent to fight as infantry as part of some sort of rotation. According to the linked article, the drone operator and another drone operator were sent on a ‘suicide mission’ and they left a video. > “I’m leaving for an attack. If I come back fine, if I don’t then we’ll show you and explain to you [the reality],” Dmitry Lysakovsky, an experienced drone operator said. … > > “Please, don’t serve in the ministry of defence… Your task is to die here so that the regiment commander, reporting to higher-ups, looks good. You are his personal serfs.” > > The soldiers also accused their commander of dealing in drugs, faking battlefield successes, disbanding a high-performing drone unit out of spite and feeding information to a Ukrainian military intelligence spy network. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7552 "2024-09-18T16:26:41Z")
Serious explosions and fires at a Russian ammunition plant. _ **Russia: Tver region governor, comrade Igor Rudenya - “The unmanned drones were shot down by the Ministry of Defence’s air defenses, the falling debris caused a fire…” 30,000 ton missile & artillery arsenal built in 2018 was supposed to be able to withstand a nuclear strike.** _ [https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-targets-western-russian-regions-with-drones-russian-officials-says-2024-09-18/](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-targets-western-russian-regions-with-drones-russian-officials-says-2024-09-18/) The “falling debris” from shooting down the drones … yeah, right, Jan! Summary: Ukrainian drone attack hits major Russian arsenal Massive blasts detected by earthquake monitors NASA picks up multiple heat sources from space Some anger expressed in Russia over the attack LONDON, Sept 18 (Reuters) - A large-scale Ukrainian drone attack on Russia triggered an earthquake-sized blast at a major arsenal in the Tver region on Wednesday, forcing the evacuation of a nearby town, war bloggers and some media reported. Unverified video and images on social media showed a huge ball of flame blasting high into the night sky and multiple detonations thundering across a lake about 380 km (240 miles) west of Moscow. Another tidbit: "Dmitry Bulgakov, then a deputy defence minister, told RIA in 2018 that the facility could defend weapons from missiles and even a small nuclear attack. Bulgakov was arrested earlier this year on corruption charges, which he denies. “It (the concrete facilities) ensures their reliable and safe storage, protects them from air and missile strikes and even from the damaging factors of a nuclear explosion,” RIA quoted Bulgakov as saying at the time." [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=370) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=372)