# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 372
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7553 "2024-09-18T16:38:02Z")
NVM, can’t figure out how to get an active link directly to the source of the satellite fire detection website. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7554 "2024-09-18T16:58:00Z")
This one? > **[NASA-FIRMS](https://firms.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov/map/#d:24hrs;%40119.9,13.6,2.3z)** > > Fire Information for Resource Management System ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7555 "2024-09-18T16:59:32Z")
You’re getting the same thing I was: a menu to select parameters and location, not the actual imagery. At least on my phone. I’m passingly familiar with FIRMS, since I worked on the SNPP and JPSS ground system, but I can’t get a link to specific imagery working. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7556 "2024-09-18T17:02:17Z")
I’m getting an interactive map with selectable layers and time scales on my Chromebook. Could you be more detailed in what you want? Something “liver” like a webcam? The basic view shows an immense blob at the site of the reported explosion. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7557 "2024-09-18T17:03:54Z")
I’m not getting a map at all unless I enter the location I want. I can get the imagery I want if I search for the location, but with the bare link I just get a menu. Although the URL includes coordinates. I’m going to assume for now it’s a mobile browser thing. > [@smithsb](#): > > The basic view shows an immense blob at the site of the reported explosion. If you zoom in, you’ll see the blob breaks down into a bunch of individual fires (as discriminated by the VIIRS instrument’s 375 meter pixel resolution) that correspond to a whole bunch of individual munitions bunkers all burning. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7558 "2024-09-18T17:05:03Z")
It can withstand a nuclear strike but not falling debris from shot-down drones? [![](https://64.media.tumblr.com/bdf18f75efc1e498c8eb89c590b64c19/693bc9644ae0f8be-52/s540x810/aca97a3906e8faa4fcfac2429a79d585cc508d3c.gifv) ](https://64.media.tumblr.com/bdf18f75efc1e498c8eb89c590b64c19/693bc9644ae0f8be-52/s540x810/aca97a3906e8faa4fcfac2429a79d585cc508d3c.gifv) Some satellite footage here: [‘Biggest attack on Russian soil’ seen in SPACE after drone blitz on ammo dump](https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/30508831/russian-ammo-depot-attack-space-earthquake/) The ground-based footage shows not just a (goodness gracious) great ball of fire but several other explosions further away. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7559 "2024-09-18T17:15:09Z")
Marvin the Martians question is finally answered ---
**Author:** ![MikeF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MikeF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeF)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7560 "2024-09-18T23:18:10Z")
That was a mighty impressive fireball/blast. The daylight video was equally spectacular. I’m a bit surprised the video didn’t get more play on mainstream media. Normally, they love that kind of thing. I wondering how much a blow to the Russian army this really was. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7561 "2024-09-18T23:59:09Z")
Lots of competition from the Lebanon pager, 2-way radio, keypad explosions over the same time period. I see plenty of coverage on the international news. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2024, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7562 "2024-09-19T04:41:39Z")
Seems like a delaying tactic. Giving permission to hit specific military targets isn’t that difficult to understand. The ISW has already compiled a list of targets that are in ATACMS range. > **[US wants more clarity from Ukraine on possible use of long-range weapons](https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-war-long-range-missiles-6bd6af3d74ebbf6225330e476173575f)** > > U.S. officials say the Biden administration still isn't convinced that it should give Ukraine the authority to launch long-range missiles deeper into Russia. > **[Institute for the Study of War](https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/interactive-map-hundreds-known-russian-military-objects-are-range-atacms)** > > Hundreds of known Russian military and paramilitary objects in Russia are in range of Ukrainian ATACMS. ISW presents the following list and interactive map of known military and paramilitary objects to illustrate the extent to which US restrictions... ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2024, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7563 "2024-09-19T23:49:12Z")
It would have to be 1 of 2 things: a drone with a hardened barrel used as a high velocity bunker buster or they flew it in an open door. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2024, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7564 "2024-09-19T23:53:20Z")
My bet would be on the latter. Armor-piercing rounds tend to have a _lot_ of engineering behind them and are hypersonic. [![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/BL15inchAPMkXXIIBNTShell1943Diagram.jpg/330px-BL15inchAPMkXXIIBNTShell1943Diagram.jpg) ](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/BL15inchAPMkXXIIBNTShell1943Diagram.jpg/330px-BL15inchAPMkXXIIBNTShell1943Diagram.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Chelonaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9a140/32.png) [@Chelonaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chelonaut)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2024, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7565 "2024-09-21T05:24:22Z")
Looks like UAF hit another ammo depot south of the one in Toropets. This is supposedly a screenshot from FIRMS: [![Imgur](https://i.imgur.com/3KuZjhL.png "imgur.com") ](https://imgur.com/3KuZjhL) ---
**Author:** ![Kelevra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/97f17d/32.png) [@Kelevra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kelevra)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2024, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7566 "2024-09-21T18:43:15Z")
Ukraine has apparently hit 3 depots in the last couple days. Here’s a video of a truly impressive explosion from one near the town of Tikhoretsk. The followup post shows part of a rocket that landed 7.5 kilometers from the storage area! > ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2024, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7567 "2024-09-21T19:18:58Z")
> [@Kelevra](#): > > The followup post shows part of a rocket that landed 7.5 kilometers from the storage area! The rocket didn’t land that far away; that was just falling debris from the successfully-intercepted rocket. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2024, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7568 "2024-09-21T20:13:47Z")
> [@Kelevra](#): > > Here’s a video of a truly impressive explosion from one near the town of Tikhoretsk. I know it wasn’t a nuclear blast, but that mushroom cloud damn well looked like one. ---
**Author:** ![abcdefghij](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/43a26b/32.png) [@abcdefghij](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/abcdefghij)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2024, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7569 "2024-09-21T20:17:44Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > The rocket didn’t land that far away; that was just falling debris from the successfully-intercepted rocket. A Ukrainian friend says that the joke going around is that Ukraine is now just requesting NATO send shipments of rockets loaded up with debris ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2024, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7570 "2024-09-21T20:39:36Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > I know it wasn’t a nuclear blast, but that mushroom cloud damn well looked like one. I’m seeing numbers in the kilotons tossed around for these explosions. For comparison, the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs were in the vicinity of 10 kT. So, no, not nukes, but for practical purposes pretty close to them. As an aside, folks knew that really big explosions produce mushroom clouds even before the first nukes. It’s tough (and expensive) to make a conventional explosive that big, but it can be (and has been, usually unintentionally) done. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2024, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7571 "2024-09-21T21:10:01Z")
From the US/Internal safety standards; rocket motors and missiles in a propulsive state should be stored facing the same direction, preferably into the back of the earth covered magazine. It’s impossible to predict their flight distance in the event of an accidental initiation. 7.5 km in this case. And don’t store the damn things on open pads where falling debris can impact them - or drones. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2024, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7572 "2024-09-21T22:32:26Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > expensive) to make a conventional explosive that big Well, whatever used to be in that bunker, it definitely looked expensive. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=371) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=373)