# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 376
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2024, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7633 "2024-10-17T15:28:32Z")
I like that idea. It’s less destructive than the Roadside bombs US forces faced. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2024, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7634 "2024-10-17T15:40:13Z")
They are easy enough to drag with a tractor. Which is obviously what happened with the one in the photo. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2024, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7635 "2024-10-17T15:42:39Z")
Also effective against wireframe tanks and cybertrucks. [![](https://www.arcadeclub.co.uk/cdn/game-library/battlezone/screenshots/battlezone-1.png) ](https://www.arcadeclub.co.uk/cdn/game-library/battlezone/screenshots/battlezone-1.png) Meanwhile: > **[Russia-Ukraine War: Joe Biden Announces $425 Mn Ukraine Arms Package In...](https://www.wionews.com/videos/russia-ukraine-war-joe-biden-announces-425-mn-ukraine-arms-package-in-zelensky-call-768424)** > > US President Joe Biden announced a $425 million arms package for Kyiv Wednesday in a call with President Volodymr Zelensky, ahead of a meeting with European leaders in Berlin to discuss Ukraine, the White House said. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2024, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7636 "2024-10-18T11:50:05Z")
I hope these attacks on civilians are documented as war crimes. Posts on social media can be traced. Link [Small and lethal: adapted drones carrying explosives ‘hunt’ civilians in Kherson | Ukraine | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/18/drones-carrying-explosives-stalk-streets-of-kherson-ukraine-russia) > [@](#): > > Two years into Russia’s invasion of [Ukraine](https://www.theguardian.com/world/ukraine), civilians living in the frontline city of Kherson are grappling with the new threat from small civilian drones adapted to carry explosives. > > On social media, Russian soldiers openly boast that their objective is anyone or anything that moves. Since the drones began swarming the city in July, there have been thousands of attacks each month, killing 24 civilians and injuring hundreds more. > > “The hunt has started,” urged one Telegram post above a satellite image of an ordinary van. “Any black minivan must be destroyed no matter where are they going.” > > They have dropped grenades on buses and people waiting at bus stops, civilians on bikes and queueing for humanitarian aid, or, like Ustenko, just walking home with shopping. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2024, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7637 "2024-10-18T11:59:47Z")
This could get interesting: > **[Ukraine ‘will seek nuclear weapons’ if it cannot join Nato](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/10/17/zelensky-ukraine-seek-nuclear-weapons-join-nato/)** > > Membership vital to ‘victory plan’, Volodymyr Zelensky tells EU summit, as he warns of need for powerful deterrent against Russia Totally understandable, and Ukraine has the resources to pull this off if they’re serious about it. I’ve said before, had Ukraine kept even a few nukes back in the 90s, this war would never have happened. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2024, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7638 "2024-10-18T20:50:28Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > Totally understandable, and Ukraine has the resources to pull this off if they’re serious about it. I’ve said before, had Ukraine kept even a few nukes back in the 90s, this war would never have happened. Who’s to say they didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2024, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7639 "2024-10-18T20:56:02Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Who’s to say they didn’t All the Ukrainians killed in an invasion that could have been stopped if Ukraine had demonstrated a nuclear capability? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2024, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7640 "2024-10-18T21:05:06Z")
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**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2024, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7641 "2024-10-18T21:05:54Z")
**Moderating:** > **How to Reply as a linked Topic** > > Click Reply, in the upper left corner of the reply window is the reply type button, _looks like a curving arrow point to the right_. > > Choose **Reply as linked topic** and it starts a new thread. As an example, you can choose GD, IMHO or The Pit for it. > > That is actually the best method. Conjecture/debate like this does not belong in this thread. Drop it please. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2024, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7643 "2024-10-19T11:11:14Z")
I’m sorry, but > [@](#): > > She Modnote They have pronouns now? Anyway - some surprise swapsies happened yesterday: > **[Ukraine war live: 190 PoW swap ‘unexpected’ as North Korea troops arrive in...](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-ukraine-war-north-korean-soldiers-putin-zelensky-latest-b2631989.html)** > > It comes as thousands of North Korean troops arrive in Russia, according to South Korean intelligence ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2024, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7644 "2024-10-19T22:47:55Z")
At least they’re getting time to acclimate. > South Korea’s spy agency said on Friday that North Korea has sent 1,500 special forces troops to Russia’s Far East for training and acclimatisation ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2024, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7645 "2024-10-23T02:47:38Z")
Well, Spain is sending a bunch of stuff to help Ukraine. Likely better than some Koreans guys. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/pJFBEB3Fx64/maxresdefault.jpg "SPAIN Had Enough of Russia - GET OUT OF UKRAINE!") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJFBEB3Fx64) ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7646 "2024-10-25T06:50:30Z")
> **[North Korea has joined Putin’s war effort. A timid West must respond](https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/north-korea-has-joined-putin-s-war-effort-a-timid-west-must-respond-20241024-p5kl56.html)** > > So far, it’s been a strategic shoulder shrug from the US and NATO, but an “avoid World War III” strategy could make authoritarian aggression more likely. > Given the size of the North Korean contingent, they are unlikely to have a decisive impact on the trajectory of the war in Ukraine. Russia is currently suffering around 1200 casualties a day in Ukraine. The North Koreans represent about a week’s human expenditure by Russia. > Regardless, this deployment will help North Korea undergo a rapid transformation and modernisation of its military forces. This will be a destabilising influence for the Korean peninsula and the Pacific region. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7647 "2024-10-26T17:12:49Z")
The US response is they’re fair game. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7648 "2024-10-27T14:04:35Z")
The Russian military is a well oiled machine. Nope. Snipers should target the Russian guy talking to the N Koreans. (the interpreter) Watch the confusion. SNAFU > **[‘What the f\*\*k to do with them?’ Russian soldiers heard condemning North...](https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/25/europe/russian-soldiers-north-korean-recruits-intercepts-intl/index.html)** > > Russian soldiers have been heard raising concerns about how North Korean soldiers will be commanded and provided with ammunition and military kit, leaked intercepts obtained by the Defense Intelligence of Ukraine and released on Friday show. > [@](#): > > The intercepts also reveal plans to have one interpreter and three senior officers for every 30 North Korean men, which the Russian soldiers are heard in the audio. > “The only thing I don’t understand is that there [should be] three senior officers for 30 people. Where do we get them? We’ll have to pull them out,” one Russian serviceman says. > > \*_“ **I’m f** _ing telling you, there are 77 battalion commanders coming in tomorrow, there are commanders, deputy commanders and so on,” a serviceman says in another extract. > > The intercepted audio follows a Thursday announcement from Ukraine’s military intelligence service that a group of North Korean soldiers [have been spotted](https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/23/asia/north-korea-troops-russia-ukraine-explainer-intl-hnk/index.html)in Russia’s Kursk region, an area that borders Ukraine and has seen ongoing military operations. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7649 "2024-10-27T16:32:26Z")
Why three _senior_ officers? One would think field grade (captain-equivalent and below) would suffice. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7650 "2024-10-27T17:21:16Z")
I suspect someone’s army has had too much “grade inflation”, giving them a surplus of senior officers. Which brings up the question of whose officers are they? Russian or NK? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7651 "2024-10-27T19:44:35Z")
They have to keep them from defecting. [BUSINESS INSIDER October 24 2024](https://www.businessinsider.com/how-kim-north-korea-stops-troops-defecting-ukraine-russia-brutal-2024-10) Bermudez said Kim was likely to send only “politically reliable people” to fight. Those sent to aid Russia would probably be accompanied by officials from the ruling Workers’ Party of Korea, he said, adding: “They file reports on everybody.” ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7652 "2024-10-28T08:14:41Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Those sent to aid Russia would probably be accompanied by officials from the ruling Workers’ Party of Korea, he said, adding: “They file reports on everybody.” And if any of their charges goes missing, they’d be for the high jump too. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7653 "2024-10-28T11:24:31Z")
A fairly candid relpy from Lukashenko. It will soon be apparent if NK troops join the conflict. > **[North Korea troops in Ukraine would escalate conflict, Lukashenko tells BBC](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62938gl6q1o)** > > Vladimir Putin's closest ally speaks to Steve Rosenberg about the war, nuclear weapons and relations with the West. > [@](#): > > “Rubbish,” Lukashenko replied. “Knowing his character Putin would never try to persuade another country to involve its army in Russia’s special operation in Ukraine.” > > “And if the reports are confirmed?” I asked. > > “It would be a step towards the escalation of the conflict if the armed forces of any country, even Belarus, were on the contact line,” replied Alexander Lukashenko. > > “Even if we got involved in the war this would be a path to escalation. Why? Because you, the Anglo-Saxons, would immediately say that another country had got involved on one side… so Nato troops would be deployed to Ukraine.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=375) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=377)