# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 377
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7654 "2024-10-28T17:39:49Z")
I haven’t found an answer in any of the reporting I’ve read, but I know several in-thread have done much more research into sources than I have. I know there’s the official Russia - NK pact going on, but has Putin bothered to put a fig leaf on the NK troops? IE they’re officially foreign workers/mercenaries operating under contract? Not that it makes a difference in their actual role, but it’s the sort of “wink wink, I’m not touching you” that would suit his purposes. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7655 "2024-10-28T23:26:28Z")
I believe that if they do not enter Ukraine territory as combatants, it is not violating any laws. But then Russia has assumed that a bunch of Ukraine territory is Russian now. That is not recognized in law though. If they enter that territory as combatants I assume it is illegal. Thus raising the stakes. Putin likes to use the technicality of law. But he also says the territories are Russian now. He just might test out his iffy legal theories. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7656 "2024-10-28T23:31:42Z")
**Warning** and at least a one day suspension. You’ve been specifically instructed to not post in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7657 "2024-10-29T13:20:52Z")
Suspension noted, but I’m bemused by the idea that even “iffy” legal theories are remotely applicable here. What’s Ukraine going to do - sue Russia for not invading them by the rules? Meanwhile, North Korea’s involvement seems to be dragging the South Koreans into it, if only because 1) North Korea doing war things will always make South Korea nervous, and 2) SK would really like to know what Russia is giving NK in return, and whether they should be worried about _that_. [https://www.reuters.com/world/north-korean-foreign-minister-arrives-russian-far-east-heading-moscow-2024-10-29/](https://www.reuters.com/world/north-korean-foreign-minister-arrives-russian-far-east-heading-moscow-2024-10-29/) ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7658 "2024-10-29T13:50:27Z")
NK foreign minister is in Russia. It’s probably not a social visit for tea and crumpets. [https://www.reuters.com/world/north-korean-foreign-minister-arrives-russian-far-east-heading-moscow-2024-10-29/](https://www.reuters.com/world/north-korean-foreign-minister-arrives-russian-far-east-heading-moscow-2024-10-29/) ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2024, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7659 "2024-10-30T22:28:54Z")
Erdogan talks turkey with Putin. Leave Crimea [https://www.reuters.com/world/moscow-disagrees-with-turkeys-erdogan-that-crimea-should-return-kyivs-control-2024-09-13/?origin=serp\_auto](https://www.reuters.com/world/moscow-disagrees-with-turkeys-erdogan-that-crimea-should-return-kyivs-control-2024-09-13/?origin=serp_auto) > [@](#): > > Erdogan said this week that Turkish support for Ukraine’s territorial integrity, sovereignty and independence was unwavering, and that the return of Crimea - which Russia seized from Ukraine and annexed in 2014 - was a requirement of international law. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2024, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7660 "2024-10-31T14:45:12Z")
The BBC has evidence that Russia is specifically targeting civilians with their drones. Horrifying and clearly a war crime. Pity that it will probably go unpunished. > **[Drone strikes on civilians suggest new Russian terror tactic in Ukraine](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c207gz7key6o)** > > Ukrainians tell of their fear as BBC Verify analyses videos appearing to show drone strikes on civilians. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2024, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7661 "2024-11-02T00:16:26Z")
[ABC Chicago](https://abc7.com/post/russia-fines-google-20000000000000000000000000000000000/15492018/) Thursday, October 31, 2024 1:52PM Putin has found a new source of financing for the war. The Russian court has ruled that Google owes them 2,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 Rubles in fines. They might settle out of court for less. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2024, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7662 "2024-11-02T13:10:49Z")
That’s a good way to ensure Google stays out of Russia for the long term. Which is probably a win for Putin. ---
**Author:** ![Kelevra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/97f17d/32.png) [@Kelevra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kelevra)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2024, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7663 "2024-11-04T18:20:46Z")
Another milestone. Ukraine claims 700,000 Russian losses. We’ve had a number of discussions about what “losses” means but I recently saw an interview with some Ukrainian official that said these estimates are dead and heavily wounded. > ---
**Author:** ![Lurking\_Quahog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lurking_quahog/32/21274_2.png) [@Lurking\_Quahog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lurking_Quahog)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2024, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7664 "2024-11-04T19:10:42Z")
I just googled how much it costs to build a Russian tank and it looks to be between $1.2 - $9 million. Even at $1.2 million, 9193 of them comes to over $11 billion. That’s just for the tanks, never mind ships and aircraft! How much longer can Russia continue to lose this kind of money? And its soldiers? ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2024, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7665 "2024-11-04T23:23:16Z")
Many of those tanks were built years or even decades ago, so that cost was amortised over time. Replacing them though, is full freight. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2024, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7666 "2024-11-05T07:59:23Z")
Interesting piece about the North Korean input > **[Inexperienced, poorly trained and underfed: the North Korean troops heading...](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/05/north-korea-troops-russia-ukraine-war-kim-jong-un-putin?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other)** > > Kim Jong-un has called his army the ‘strongest in the world’ but they are vulnerable to malnutrition, and none have seen combat or know the terrain in Russia’s war ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2024, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7667 "2024-11-05T10:48:14Z")
> [@PatrickLondon](#): > > Interesting piece about the North Korean input > > [Inexperienced, poorly trained and underfed: the North Korean troops heading to Ukraine | North Korea | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/05/north-korea-troops-russia-ukraine-war-kim-jong-un-putin?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other) A few years ago when a DPRK soldier defected to South Korea, he was malnourished and suffering from intestinal worms. With that in mind, I’m not surprised to hear that the DPRK soldiers sent to fight in Ukraine are poorly trained and in crummy health. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2024, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7668 "2024-11-05T14:20:11Z")
I saw mentions of these bombings in the media. But the scope and planning by Ukraine was missed. ISW analysis of the impact of losing so many radars and Air Defense systems is insightful. Ukraine must be getting very good Satellite intelligence to identify so many targets. Link [Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, November 2, 2024 | Institute for the Study of War](https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-november-2-2024) > [@](#): > > **Ukrainian forces have reportedly struck seven Russian radars and air defense systems since the night of October 20 to 21.** A Russian Telegram user, who claims to be an employee of an unspecified branch of the Russian special services, claimed on November 2 that Ukrainian forces conducted an ATACMS strike against a Russian S-300/400 air defense system near occupied Mospyne (just southeast of Donetsk City) and that their sources are still clarifying the damage to the system.[1] The Telegram user claimed that Ukrainian forces targeted the air defense systems with six ATACMS missiles and that Russian forces downed three of the missiles. The Telegram user claimed on October 31 that Ukrainian forces struck a Russian “Podlet” radar station near occupied Cape Tarkhankut, Crimea with a drone on October 23 and that Russian forces have not evacuated the damaged station for repairs yet.[2] A Ukrainian division posted footage on October 31 purportedly showing a successful Ukrainian strike against a Russian Buk air defense system in an unspecified frontline area, and the footage showed secondary detonations consistent with a successful strike against such a system.[3] The Ukrainian General Staff reported on October 25 that Ukrainian forces struck a Russian Buk-M3 air defense system and destroyed the radar system of another Buk-M2 air defense system in occupied Luhansk Oblast on the night of October 24 to 25.[4] Official Ukrainian sources reported that Ukrainian forces also struck a Buk-M2 system in southern Ukraine on October 23 and a Buk-M3 air defense system on the night of October 20 to 21 in an unspecified frontline area.[5] **ISW has previously observed indications that Russia has struggled to source the microelectronic components necessary to produce complex weapons and air defense systems due to Western sanctions, and Russia may not be able to produce or repair a sufficient number of air defense systems** to maintain the current density of Russia’s air defense coverage over occupied Ukraine if Ukraine destroys a significant number of Russian systems.[6] **Further degradation of Russia’s air defense umbrella, particularly over occupied Ukraine, may impact how close to the frontline Russian pilots are willing to operate and could limit Russia’s ability to effectively use glide bombs against both frontline areas and rear Ukrainian cities.** ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7669 "2024-11-07T17:30:01Z")
Biden needs to make his final decisions soon. Before the formal transition of power begins. Guardian Live feed > [@](#): > > **The Biden White House plans to rush billions of dollars in security assistance to Ukraine before the outgoing Democratic president leaves office in January, sources told Reuters on Wednesday**. “The administration plans to push forward … to put Ukraine in the strongest position possible” a senior administration official said on condition of anonymity. Biden’s plans for the transfers were first reported by Politico. The White House did not immediately respond to a Reuters request for comment. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2024, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7670 "2024-11-10T23:06:31Z")
Keeping the F-16’s flight ready is crucial. > **[The Pentagon is letting a small number of U.S. defense contractors fix...](https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-contractors-pentagon-weapons-repair-c59260ab3db7514dd8930823e0b5adf3)** > > U.S. officials say the Pentagon is easing restrictions to allow a small number of private American defense contactors to work inside Ukraine, helping repair and maintain equipment. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7671 "2024-11-12T03:56:07Z")
`Do they call themselves the Flying Tigers? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7672 "2024-11-12T23:52:35Z")
If true tying down 50,000 is impressive. Also the Russians are bombing and tearing apart their own territory. > **[Volodymyr Zelensky says Russia has 50,000 troops in Kursk](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9vn1x23x88o)** > > Ukraine's president says the incursion is limiting the forces Moscow can deploy inside his country. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7673 "2024-11-13T04:19:15Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Also the Russians are bombing and tearing apart their own territory. Yes. I always thought fighting a purely defensive war in your own territory is a recipe for losing. All damage to your own infrastructure, none to the opposing army. At a minimum you need strikes against their weapons and supply lines that can strike your own territory. When long range bombs and planes are in play, you can’t necessarily hit all those targets. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=376) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=378)