# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 379
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2024, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7694 "2024-11-19T22:36:48Z")
> [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](#): > > It now says an attack from a non-nuclear state, if backed by a nuclear power, will be treated as a joint assault on Russia. …Which is of course the situation we have right now. That looks to me like a colossal blunder on Putin’s part, because it amounts to admitting that they’re never going to use nukes. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2024, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7695 "2024-11-19T23:33:53Z")
We could use a cat’s paw. I was seeing that Australia was putting a lot of M1A1s in storage as they buy M1A2s and Ukraine would love to get their hands on them. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7696 "2024-11-21T00:02:48Z")
Ukraine is finally able to fully fight back. Link [Ukrainian Bombers Fire 10 Storm Shadow Missiles At Russian Commanders](https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/11/20/ukrainian-bombers-fire-10-bunker-busting-storm-shadow-cruise-missiles-at-russian-commanders/) > [@](#): > > Following Biden’s lead, the governments of the United Kingdom and France also authorized Ukraine to fire British and French munitions at Russia. On Wednesday morning, Ukrainian air force bombers reportedly flung 10 Storm Shadow cruise missiles at a target in Maryino, a town in Kursk 25 miles from the border. > > Exactly what the Ukrainians were aiming at with the 2,900-pound cruise missiles is unclear. But 10 Storm Shadows is a _lot_ of Storm Shadows. The Ukrainian air force [usually fires](https://daxe.substack.com/p/ukrainian-bombers-drop-storm-shadow) the missiles from low-flying Sukhoi Su-24 supersonic bombers in pairs. > The scale of the attack points to an extremely high value—likely fortified—target. British firm BAE Systems specifically developed the Storm Shadow’s 880-pound Bomb Royal Ordnance Augmented Charge warhead for destroying hardened structures such as underground bunkers. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 9:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7697 "2024-11-21T09:33:47Z")
Russia launches an intercontinental ballistic missle (ICBM] at Ukraine. > **[Russia fired intercontinental ballistic missile at Ukraine, Kyiv reports](https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2024/11/21/world/russia-icbm-attack-on-dnipro-ukraine/)** > > The Russian attack targeted enterprises and critical infrastructure in the central-eastern city of Dnipro, the Ukrainian air force said. ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7698 "2024-11-21T15:01:27Z")
I mean, unless they launched from Siberia, that’s not a good use of an **Intercontinental** ballistic missile. Poor show, Russia. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7699 "2024-11-21T15:07:44Z")
I suspect it was intended more as a form of political posturing than a proper military attack. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7700 "2024-11-21T15:11:25Z")
Yes. ICMBs are designed to carry nuclear payloads. They’re sending a message. ---
**Author:** ![Raza](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raza/32/213_2.png) [@Raza](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raza)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7701 "2024-11-21T15:16:57Z")
NY Times lead says it is disputed an ICBM was used: > Russia struck the city of Dnipro with a volley that Ukraine said included an intercontinental ballistic missile. Western officials said an ICBM was not used. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2024, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7702 "2024-11-23T22:32:02Z")
Canada bought it and then gave to Ukraine. NASAMS (Norwegian Advanced Surface to Air Missile System) > **[Canada-Donated NASAMS Air Defense Missile System Now Operational in Ukraine](https://www.armyrecognition.com/news/army-news/army-news-2024/canada-donated-nasams-air-defense-missile-system-now-operational-in-ukraine)** > > Canada-Donated NASAMS Air Defense Missile System Now Operational in Ukraine > [@](#): > > The [**NASAMS**](https://www.armyrecognition.com/military-products/army/air-defense-systems/air-defense-vehicles/nasams-norwegian-advanced-surface-to-air-missile-system-technical-data-sheet-pictures-video-12712158) air defense missile system, developed by Raytheon Technologies in collaboration with Norway’s Kongsberg Defence & Aerospace, is a highly advanced and versatile solution designed to counter various aerial threats. It features a 360-degree coverage capability, enabled by the AN/MPQ-64 Sentinel radar, which provides exceptional detection and tracking of incoming targets. The system is known for its high mobility, allowing for rapid deployment and adaptability across different operational environments. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7703 "2024-11-29T06:25:01Z")
[CNBC Thu, Nov 28 2024](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/28/russia-tries-to-stem-panic-over-plummeting-ruble-central-bank-steps-in.html) **Russia tries to stem panic over the plummeting ruble, as the central bank is forced to intervene** - Russian authorities are trying to stem panic over the ruble’s sharp fall this week, with the central bank forced to intervene on Wednesday to support the currency. - The ruble weakened to 114 against the greenback on Wednesday, hitting its lowest level since March 2022, shortly after Russia invaded Ukraine. - Russia’s central bank (CBR) was forced to intervene on the day to prop up the ruble, it would halt foreign purchases on the domestic currency market for the rest of the year “in order to reduce the volatility of financial markets.” ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7704 "2024-11-29T09:18:07Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Russia’s central bank (CBR) was forced to intervene on the day to prop up the ruble, it would halt foreign purchases on the domestic currency market for the rest of the year I’m going to predict that that trading suspension will be extended indefinitely because as soon as it’s removed, the ruble will continue dropping like a rock. The black market in dollars and euros will take up the slack. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7705 "2024-11-29T14:18:45Z")
Can someone translate that into what it means for Russia’s import of fuel, munitions, and other supplies needed for the war? ---
**Author:** ![MikeF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MikeF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeF)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2024, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7706 "2024-12-08T15:20:10Z")
Maybe I missed it but have North Korea troops been in direct combat in any numbers? I haven’t seen any confirmed NK POWs or casualties. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2024, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7707 "2024-12-08T19:16:01Z")
Ukraine is doing whatever it takes to keep the fighting in a sector that’s already evacuated and destroyed. Russian war damage in Kursk is staggering. They’re facing Putin’s Feb deadline to liberate the occupied area. Original news source is from X. Link [‘Catastrophic.’ With Mines, Drones, Artillery And Tanks, Ukrainian Troops Wreck 90 Russian Vehicles Across Four Square Miles Of Kursk.](https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/12/07/catastrophic-with-mines-drones-artillery-and-tanks-ukrainian-troops-wreck-90-russian-vehicles-in-four-square-miles-of-kursk/) Link [Ukrainian Troops Threw Charges Into A Russian-Held Highrise In Toretsk](https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/12/06/ukrainian-troops-tossed-charges-into-a-russian-held-highrise-in-toretsk-exploding-the-whole-building-from-the-inside/) > [@](#): > > The Ukrainian National Guard is fighting with total abandon: bringing down entire building as they advance, street by street, into a city that’s steadily turning to rubble. > > Flattening a city to save it is, on its face, an absurd tactic. But the alternative for the Ukrainian brigades in this sector is **surrendering what’s left of Toretsk to the Russians and falling back to the next nearest settlement. That would almost certainly bring the fighting—and likely total destruction—to that settlement, instead.** > [@](#): > > Kriegsforscher, a Ukrainian marine corps drone operator supporting the 20,000-strong Ukrainian force that has held a 20-by-12-mile salient in Kursk since August, [tallied](https://x.com/OSINTua/status/1865412118624841992) around 90 wrecked and abandoned Russian vehicles just in his two-by-two-mile sector on the northwest edge of the salient. > > That’s an entire brigade’s worth of vehicles. Ukrainian losses in the same sector have been much lighter: just 20 or so. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7708 "2024-12-10T14:28:25Z")
> [@MikeF](#): > > Maybe I missed it but have North Korea troops been in direct combat in any numbers? I haven’t seen any confirmed NK POWs or casualties. I don’t think they’ve been in combat yet, but in November there were reports of a lot of them being killed in missile strikes: > **[Hundreds of North Korean troops 'killed' by missile strike on Russia](https://www.irishstar.com/news/us-news/north-korean-russia-missile-strike-34181449)** > > The Storm Shadow missile strike was reported to have killed a North Korean general and hundreds of troops in support of Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine, alongside the Russian general ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2024, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7709 "2024-12-10T17:27:35Z")
Pokrovsk is the next city that faces a serious seige attack. > **[A Giant Russian Assault Is Coming. This Tiny Ukrainian Counterattack Can’t...](https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/12/09/ukrainian-troops-counterattack-near-a-small-donetsk-town-as-a-much-bigger-russian-assault-develops-to-the-north/)** > > Local Ukrainian counterattacks probably can’t stop the coming siege of Pokrovsk. > **[A Russian Tank Division Is Closing In On Pokrovsk. It’s Not As Strong As It...](https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/12/08/a-russian-tank-army-is-closing-in-on-pokrovsk-its-not-as-strong-as-it-looks/)** > > Can the 90th Guards Tank Division surround Pokrovsk before it’s too late? > [@](#): > > That doesn’t mean the Russians aren’t advancing. In recent weeks, elements of the Russian army’s 90th Guards Tank Division advanced through the village of Zhovte to nearby Novopushtynka, creating a narrow but miles-deep salient in Ukrainian lines that places the Russian vanguard just five miles south of Pokrovsk. > > If the Russians aim to surround and cut off Pokrovsk rather than directly attack it—and there’s ample evidence that’s the plan—the recent advance is key. The next logical move for the 90th Guards Tank Division and adjacent units would be to widen the salient by capturing Novotroitske and, farther south, Ukrainka ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2024, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7710 "2024-12-11T00:13:43Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > creating a narrow but miles-deep salient in Ukrainian lines that places the Russian vanguard just five miles south of Pokrovsk. OTOH you’d think a deep narrow salient was ripe for being cut off and destroyed from the flanks. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2024, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7711 "2024-12-11T00:49:22Z")
If the war map I’m looking at is up to date, there is a Ukrainian countersalient to the south, so if they push up against it they might make their own flanks vulnerable. ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2024, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7712 "2024-12-12T20:55:30Z")
> **[Putin’s regime may be closer to a Soviet collapse than we think](https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/putins-regime-may-be-closer-to-a-soviet-collapse-than-we-think-20241211-p5kxet.html)** > > Vladimir Putin’s war machine is pushing Russia’s economy to the brink. Ukraine is slowly losing the three-year conflict on the battlefield. Russia is slowly losing the economic conflict at a roughly equal pace. The Kremlin’s oil export revenues are too low to sustain a high-intensity war and nobody will lend Vladimir Putin a kopeck. Total export earnings from all fossil fuels were running at about $US1.2 billion ($1.9 billion) a day in mid-2022. They have fallen for the last 10 months consecutively and are now barely $US600 million. Russia can get around technology sanctions but its systems are configured to Western semiconductors. These chips cannot easily be replaced by Chinese suppliers, even if they were willing to risk US secondary sanctions, which most are not. The chips are bought at a stiff premium on the global black market and are unreliable. Ukrainian troops have noticed that Russian Geran-2 drones keep spinning out of control. The Washington Post reports that laser-guided devices on Russia’s T-90M tanks have “mysteriously disappeared”, greatly reducing capability. Chinese banks have stopped accepting Russian UnionPay cards. The Chinese press says exporters have pulled back from Russian e-commerce sites such as Yandez or Wildberries because payment fees through third-parties no longer cover thin profit margins. Some have been unable to extract their money from Russia and are facing large losses. Few foresaw the sudden and total collapse of the Soviet regime, though all the signs of economic decay and imperial overreach were there to see by 1989. Putin’s regime is not yet at this point but it would only take one more change in the Middle East to bring matters to a head. If the Saudis again decide to flood the world with cheap crude to recoup market share – as many predict – oil will fall below $US40 and Russia will spin out of economic control. The Ukraine war may end in Riyadh. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7713 "2024-12-13T03:01:31Z")
[The UK gave 2 billion funded by seized Russian assets.](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y3yd22rk5o) Perhaps this is enough, along with the military aid that Biden sent this month, to keep Ukraine fighting another year or two? Russia is bleeding money and soldiers. Perhaps that article @Askance linked is correct. Russia could collapse internally first. That’s been the plan since the invasion. Ukraine has to hang-on and survive until Russia exhausts themselves politically and wrecks their economy. Link [Ukraine war: US gives $20bn to Kyiv funded by seized Russian assets](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c047zrzr2xro) > [@](#): > > The US has given $20bn (£15bn) to Ukraine, funded by the profits of seized Russian assets. > > The economic support forms a significant part of a $50bn (£39bn) package agreed by G7 member nations announced in June. > > Funding the aid through frozen assets means Russia has to “bear the costs of its illegal war, instead of taxpayers,” US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen said. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=378) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=380)