# Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion, breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 29, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972 "2022-10-29T17:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 381
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2024, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7734 "2024-12-26T02:39:39Z")
No doubt in carefully targeted tranches. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2024, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7735 "2024-12-27T15:43:46Z")
Maintenance on these older tanks should be easier for Ukraine. Their mechanics are trained on the same era Soviet tanks. The link in the quote reports on the new 155th Mechanized Brigade. It’s very heavily armed and should be effective against Russian units. My 2nd quote is from that report. > **[It Took Nearly Two Years, But Large Numbers Of German-Made Leopard 1 Tanks...](https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/12/26/it-took-nearly-two-years-but-large-numbers-of-german-made-leopard-1-tanks-are-finally-arriving-in-ukraine/)** > > Almost as many of the tanks shipped between September and December as shipped between September and the summer of 2023. > [@](#): > > The delivery schedule matters. The four-person Leopard 1A5 is set to become the most numerous Western-made tank in Ukraine, outnumbering the 104 newer German-made Leopard 2s, 80 American-made M-1s and paltry 14 British-made Challenger 2s. > > Moreover, the Ukrainian general staff has already assigned the Challenger 2s, M-1s and Leopard 2s to their respective brigades. The Leopard 1s are the only Western tanks that are available to equip the dozen or so new heavy brigades the Ukrainians [have formed in recent months](https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/11/30/ukraine-formed-a-powerful-new-brigade-just-one-problem-it-may-be-missing-drones/). **A Ukrainian mechanized brigade typically has a single tank battalion with 31 tanks**. > [@](#): > > The 155th Mechanized Brigade formed in May. But it mostly existed on paper until September, when 2,300 Ukrainian soldiers—the bulk of the new brigade—flew to France and began training alongside 1,500 French army instructors. At the same time, a few hundred soldiers from the 155th Mechanized Brigade’s tank battalion arrived in Poland to train with the Polish army. > > The French outfitted the 155th Mechanized Brigade with Caesar self-propelled howitzers, AMX-10RC reconnaissance vehicles and heavy mortars. The Poles handed over 31 Leopard 2A4 tanks apparently drawn from Spanish surplus stocks. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2024, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7736 "2024-12-31T06:28:39Z")
Always good news when POW’s come home. Guardian live feed > [@](#): > > **Russia and Ukraine have carried out a [major prisoner exchange](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/dec/30/russia-ukraine-swap-prisoners-exchange-deal), with at least 150 people from each side returning home before New Year’s Eve,** in a swap partly brokered by the United Arab Emirates. “The return of our people from Russian captivity is always very good news for each of us,” the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, said in a message posted on Telegram on Monday. “My son is 5 years old now, the last time I saw him he was 2 years old,” said Serhii, who was captured by Russian forces at the Azovstal steel mill in the southern port Mariupol, which withstood a siege for nearly three months in 2022 ---
**Author:** ![Kelevra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/97f17d/32.png) [@Kelevra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kelevra)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2025, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7737 "2025-01-02T20:07:19Z")
Looks like Ukraine shot down a helicopter with a sea drone launched missile. The claim is that this is a first. > **[Ukraine Claims Its Drone Boat Shot Down A Russian Mi-8 Helicopter With A...](https://www.twz.com/sea/ukraine-claims-its-drone-boat-shot-down-a-russian-mi-8-helicopter-with-a-surface-to-air-missile)** > > A video purportedly shows the historic first kill scored by an uncrewed surface vessel against an aircraft. A video purportedly shows the historic first kill scored by a Ukrainian uncrewed surface vessel against a Russian helicopter. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2025, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7738 "2025-01-03T00:13:24Z")
The video doesn’t show a helicopter was shot down. Just shot at. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2025, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7739 "2025-01-03T12:37:51Z")
Kinda looks like it was hit, unless the helo was ejecting flares. ---
**Author:** ![Kelevra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/97f17d/32.png) [@Kelevra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kelevra)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2025, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7740 "2025-01-03T15:09:39Z")
Russian Mil bloggers are also saying a helicopter was shot down so it seems there is some confirmation ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2025, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7741 "2025-01-06T05:03:28Z")
Should know in a few days if this is a successful counteroffensive. [https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-war-bloggers-report-new-ukrainian-attack-kursk-region-2025-01-05/](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-war-bloggers-report-new-ukrainian-attack-kursk-region-2025-01-05/) ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2025, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7742 "2025-01-06T14:59:36Z")
ISW is already reporting on the Kursk counteroffensive. Hopefully Ukraine will force Russia to divert more resouces into Kursk. Link [Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, January 5, 2025 | Institute for the Study of War](https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-january-5-2025) > [@](#): > > \*\*Ukrainian forces resumed offensive operations in at least three areas within the Ukrainian salient in Kursk Oblast and made tactical advances on January 5. **Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian forces conducted multiple roughly company-sized mechanized assaults in the Berdin-Novosotnitsky direction (northeast of Sudzha) in three waves of attack using roughly a battalion’s worth of armored vehicles.**[1] Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian forces also intensified offensive operations in the direction of Leonidovo (southeast of Korenevo) and conducted a reinforced platoon-sized mechanized assault near Pushkarnoye (east of Sudzha).[2] Geolocated footage published on January 5 indicates that Ukrainian forces advanced in fields southwest and south of Berdin and entered the southern part of the settlement.[3] Russian milbloggers published updated maps of the Kursk area of operations that indicate that Ukrainian forces also occupy Cherkasskoye Porechnoye, Martynovka, and Mikhaylovka (all northeast of Sudzha and southwest of Berdin) as of January 5 and reported that Ukrainian forces recently entered Novosotnitsky (just east of Berdin); and advanced in fields west of Yamskaya Step (immediately northwest of Berdin) and west of Novaya Sorochina (north of Sudzha and northwest of Berdin).[4] Russian milbloggers reported that Ukrainian forces also conducted offensive operations near Nikolskiy and Alexandriya (east and southeast of Leonidovo, respectively) and north of Russkaya Konopelka (east of Sudzha) towards Pushkarnoye in small infantry groups but did not provide details about the extent of any possible Ukrainian advances in these areas.[5] Russian milbloggers largely expressed concern that the renewed Ukrainian effort in Kursk Oblast may be a diversionary effort and claimed that it is too early to determine whether these operations in Kursk could be part of a future main effort. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2025, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7744 "2025-01-06T16:28:22Z")
A post was merged into an existing topic: [Why do military reporters always tell us about companies, battalions, divisions, etc? Why can’t they report the numbers?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-military-reporters-always-tell-us-about-companies-battalions-divisions-etc-why-can-t-they-report-the-numbers/1012638/3) ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7745 "2025-01-10T20:47:32Z")
> **[Biden administration imposes toughest sanctions on Russian oil and gas](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/10/biden-russia-sanctions?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other)** > > Measures targeting Russian energy sector attempt to leverage peace deal for Ukraine in Trump administration ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2025, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7746 "2025-01-14T12:38:19Z")
I don’t know what useful information these two NK soldiers can provide Ukraine, but just the fact that they have been captured and are well-treated could be good propaganda. > **[Ukraine says it captured two injured North Korean soldiers in Russia](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjdek713d0xo)** > > President Zelensky says the two men are receiving "necessary medical assistance". ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2025, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7747 "2025-01-14T12:56:00Z")
If they are re-patriated to NK, they will probably be executed. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2025, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7748 "2025-01-14T20:57:07Z")
Or be used for counter propaganda. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2025, 8:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7749 "2025-01-15T08:35:42Z")
Some discussion of possibilities here > **[Repatriation or a life among ‘enemies’: what fate awaits the North Koreans...](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jan/13/repatriation-or-a-life-among-enemies-what-fate-awaits-the-north-koreans-captured-by-ukraine?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other)** > > Neither Russia nor North Korea has claimed the soldiers as their own yet, while South Korea could accept them as defectors ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2025, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7750 "2025-01-15T11:11:48Z")
I’m pretty certain that none of the NK soldiers fighting alongside Russia in Ukraine would ever be allowed to go home. They’ve been “contaminated” by contact with the outside world. They might even get notions that their government has been lying to them all their lives. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2025, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7751 "2025-01-15T14:51:02Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > They’ve been “contaminated” by contact with the outside world. ‘Irreversibly (or irrevocably) contaminated’, as the Peacekeepers called it in _Farscape_. Like Aeryn Sun, they may come to understand their longevity would be increased by accepting Western hospitality. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2025, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7752 "2025-01-15T14:52:20Z")
**Moderating:** ## All this speculation about the North Koreans really doesn’t belong in this thread. Please start a new one if you all wish to continue. But drop it from here. ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2025, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7753 "2025-01-16T18:57:21Z")
> **[Biden tightens the noose on Putin with a farewell blitz](https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/biden-tightens-the-noose-on-putin-with-a-farewell-blitz-20250116-p5l4r9.html)** > > In its dying days, the Biden administration has taken aim at Russia with a barrage of fresh sanctions. It will help Donald Trump. In the final days of the Biden administration, the US has announced a barrage of new sanctions on Russia that will greatly increase the leverage that Donald Trump will have in negotiations with Vladimir Putin to end the war in Ukraine. US Treasury targeted the regional clearing platforms – payment platforms – set up by Russia and China to facilitate cross-border payments for oil and military goods that enable them to evade the financial sanctions imposed by the US and its allies. The Treasury also relisted about 100 entities from Russia’s energy, defence and finance sectors in a move that brings those sanctions under a US law that requires that Congress has to be given 30 days to consider any delisting. That’s been described as an attempt to “Trump proof” the sanctions by ensuring that Congress can frustrate, if it wishes, any attempt to weaken the sanctions. The US State Department, also on Wednesday, sanctioned more than 150 new entities and individuals, focusing on Russia’s defence industry and its international suppliers, including Chinese companies that supply “dual-use” technology to Russia. ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2025, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972/7754 "2025-01-17T02:49:20Z")
Ukraine is to receive a new, rapidly developed bespoke air defence system called Gravehawk as part of the support announced by Keir Starmer as he visited Kyiv on Thursday The system, roughly the size of a shipping container, has been developed by Britain and Denmark to allow the Ukrainians to shoot down aerial threats using retrofitted air-to-air missiles launched from the ground – meaning, according to the British government, that it can use Ukrainian missiles already in their armed forces’ possession to shoot down Russian missiles and drones. The British government revealed that two prototypes of Gravehawk were tested in Ukraine in September, with 15 to be sent this year [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=380) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-2/973972.md?page=382)